Newsweek and Bad Reporting . . .

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it also seems that al sadr is back on the scene again..:rolleyes:


http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTB2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/240743


without takin this too much off topic...these people that are upset about the quran (spel) say nothing of these suicide bombers that are killing innocents on a daily basis...yo, i was against the war, but now it\'s time for this sadr dude to shut the f**k up and let the iraq\'s get their s**t together...

You have to hand it to The New York Times for once again standing as a pillar among journalism.

For those arguing for the mistreatment of foreign detainees, pay closeattention.

Friday, May 20 2005
By TIM GOLDEN
In U.S. Report, Brutal Details of 2 Afghan Inmates\' Deaths

Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days...

...At the interrogators\' behest, a guard tried to force the  young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead,  his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

The full article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?hp&ex=1116648000&en=6cca0512a38427c3&ei=5094&partner=homepage

And Mr. Dilawar was not the only one abused at the base. Among other highlights of the article for you people who think it\'s okay to treat human beings as below animals:

"In sworn statements to Army investigators, soldiers describe one female interrogator with a taste for humiliation stepping on the neck of one prostrate detainee and kicking another in the genitals...yet another prisoner is made to pick plastic bottle caps out of a drum mixed with excrement and water as part of a strategy to soften him up for questiong."

Giga, and the others of this thread, who believe that these people - especially this believed-to-be-INNOCENT person Mr. Dilawar- deserve this kind of treatment, you are sick fucks.

Originally posted by clips
i gotta admit..even tho these muslims got their panties twisted over this..let\'s be honest here...it seemed that they were lookin for just about anything to cause a ruckus or riot...being that they already hate the u.s. it\'s almost as if they were waiting for the smallest, action or inaction just to act like fools...

gimme a break you\'re gonna act like that cause somebody did that to the quran? when everyday those cats are burning american flags and such...yet if we bombed those assholes on the spot, the u.s. will catch heat...

don\'t get me wrong, i\'m not a patriot or anything like that and the u.s. is far from perfect, but i gotta call this for what it is..and it\'s pure bulls**t from the muslim side...yea i understand that some are critical to the religion, but to act that way over a book? whether the story\'s true or not, there was no reason for them to act like that.......

Maybe the reason Muslims hate the United States is because of ignorant assholes like you clips.

Why would people get upset about the Quran being flushed down the toilet? This book is their LIVES clips, they pray up to five times a day. All in all the 32% of the world that is Muslim is peaceful. It\'s only the radical Islam you see.

But you wouldn\'t know that would you because you haven\'t taken the time to educate yourself about the muslim people. You just make sweeping generalizations that they are all "terrorists."

Hell, you don\'t even know how to spell Afghanistan and that\'s deplorable.

[Evi]

Why would people get upset about the Quran being flushed down the toilet? This book is their LIVES clips, they pray up to five times a day. All in all the 32% of the world that is Muslim is peaceful. It\'s only the radical Islam you see.

Nothing justifies killing people over a book. You should read the Quran sometime. There\'s a lot of things that AREN\'T peaceful dwelling within the pages.

Maybe the reason Muslims hate the United States is because of ignorant assholes like you clips.

Of course...it\'s because of people like clips that we\'re hated so much. :rolleyes:

But you wouldn\'t know that would you because you haven\'t taken the time to educate yourself about the muslim people. You just make sweeping generalizations that they are all "terrorists."

They are definitely not all terrorists.

War blows...

Ghettomath maybe you should read this for a sec.

http://www.timeswatch.org/twarticles/2005/20050520.asp

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Originally posted by Ghettomath
Maybe the reason Muslims hate the United States is because of ignorant assholes like you clips.

Why would people get upset about the Quran being flushed down the toilet? This book is their LIVES clips, they pray up to five times a day. All in all the 32% of the world that is Muslim is peaceful. It\'s only the radical Islam you see.

But you wouldn\'t know that would you because you haven\'t taken the time to educate yourself about the muslim people. You just make sweeping generalizations that they are all "terrorists."

Hell, you don\'t even know how to spell Afghanistan and that\'s deplorable.

you my friend can kiss my black ass twice! you are a f**kin idiot! i\'m not gonna tell you to go back and read some of my pots regarding muslims...i know that all muslims aren\'t terrorists! i\'ve defended muslims many times going back as far them being blamed for 911, reasons why they feel the u.s. treats them unfairly, numerous other issues i have stepped up to the plate to defend them and call out some of the actions of this country...

but f**k that i\'m not a conservative or a democrat..i call this s**t like how i see it and in this game nobody\'s an angel...i know a couple of cats around my way that are muslims and trust i haven\'t spoke to them about this incident, but i\'m sure they wouldn\'t be ready to kill somebody over that s**t...point is, is that they already hate the u.s. from the jumpoff..so whether this story of the quran made news or not, they would be protesting the u.s. or protesting violently to some degree.


i look at all sides of the spectrum,...open your damn eyes and call that s**t for what it is...i didn\'t know i had to actually say "uhm well not all muslims are terrorits" :rolleyes: of course they aren\'t dumbass but i see i have to break that silly s**t down for you...and last i checked this wasn\'t a grammar class...

s**t do you actually believe that if i found out somebody flushed the bible down the toilet i\'ll be like "yo f**k that let\'s roll on these cats that did that s**t! :rolleyes:..no i wouldn\'t they (muslims) overreacted plain and simple, but your simple mind can\'t comprehend that....

Three points:

1.  Muslims have a different view toward the Koran than Christians have toward the Bible.  I think to them, the physical book itself is more important than it is to Christians.

2.  You can now type words like "fuck" and "shit."  No need to insert ** in the word.  The language filter has been switched off.

3.  Personal attacks are unnecessary and immature, so let\'s omit things like " ignorant assholes like you" (Gettomath) and "fucking idiot" (Clips).  Thanks for your cooperation.

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all i\'m sayin is this...if the u.s. does some foul s**t i\'m gonna call them out on it..if certain muslims radicals whatever , do something foul..i\'m gonna call them out as well..i know how sensitive muslims are when it comes to the koran, but i still feel that they overracted.....

[CHIZZY]

Unless human nature disappears overnite, there will always be wars and tragedies. There is also a basic misunderstanding of the value of human life to these people. They would think nothing of cutting your mother\'s head off and killing your children in front of you to get what they want. What do they want? They want the extermination of all non-muslims and the extermination of muslims that don\'t interperet their stupid little book the same way they do. I find it a tad hypocritical for them to get so worked up over an abused book while they applaud families brainwashing their children into blowing themselves up. Jihad is Jihad. We will not defeat them playing by the rules. Tough shit. You wanna make an omlett, you gotta crack some eggs.

   I worked for 5 Iranian brothers when I was 16, and my brother worked for an Iraqi man for years. Let me tell you from experience: For the most part, an Arabian man is anything but a pillar of compassion and understanding. They all seem to be brought up to be pig-headed, stubborn, racist, chauvanists who never once consider the fact that they could be wrong. It\'s in their culture. I had a conversation with the most accessible one of the brothers, and he said they are brought up that way, because in their culture, being fair and comapassionate is a sign of weakness. I also believe that if they weren\'t fighting us, they would just be fighting each other over the smallest of differences. (more than they already do...)

Anyhoo, that\'s just my 2 cents, and it\'s what I feel is true.

Originally posted by Coredweller


1.  Muslims have a different view toward the Koran than Christians have toward the Bible.  I think to them, the physical book itself is more important than it is to Christians.

This is true, part of the reason why you\'ll never see some pocket Koran handed out on a street corner.  It would never be put somewhere near your ass.  Also, it\'s kept by many on the highest shelf in the house, above all other books.  Many also wash their hands before reading.

CHIZZY:  Some of what you say might be true.  I don\'t know if I believe it all 100%, but you may be partially correct.  I have lived outside the US, and I learned that sometimes the stupid stereotypes we learn about foreign cultures turn out to be correct.

If this is true about Arabs (& Persians?), then I\'m happy to let them carry on with their traditional way of life in their own dusty little corner of the world, and completely ignore them.  I have no desire to invade their land, and I think if we ignore them, they will probably ignore us.  That\'s been the status quo for hundreds of years, until the rise of transnational corporations, with their psychotic need for endless market growth.  Western culture and moires are carried along with these market expansions and pushed into third world cultures that don\'t always accept them warmly.  If Nike and Pepsi and Guess Jeans didn\'t attempt to sell products in the Middle East, and convince the women and young people that they should desire the advertising fantasies they concoct, would the fundamentalist male patriarchs be as aggressive and hateful toward the west?  I think we are manufacturing many of these problems with our support for the spread of unhindered consumerist monoculture throughout the globe.

I strongly believe if we westerners poured our money and technology into developing alternate energy sources, then we wouldn\'t be dependent on oil reserves in the middle east, and we wouldn\'t feel the necessity to build a foothold in that region.  Some Republicans seem to feel otherwise.

Howard Stern, yes Howard Stern, put it best

They\'re over there cutting the heads off our prisoners and they have a problem with us supposedly humiliating them with pictures?

Its utter bullshit. Boo-fuckin-hoo we flushed a holy book. I\'m growing impatient with this super-high standard that is imposed upon the American government when these fucking heathens run rampant killing innocent people because of their radical views.

[Evi]

Just like I said. Unjustified. But because these terrorists have radical views, the whole nudie pic thing didn\'t help us out much.

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Originally posted by SwifDi

Its utter bullshit. Boo-fuckin-hoo we flushed a holy book. I\'m growing impatient with this super-high standard that is imposed upon the American government when these fucking heathens run rampant killing innocent people because of their radical views. [/B]

this is what i\'m sayin in a nutshell...but ghettoass wanna call me out on some bulls**t..yo, ghetto some advice.. stop playin\' yourself bro...play your position and sit that ass in the corner when grown folk speak...you try to come off as some type of college scholar, when your s**t is purely elementary...shut the f**k up...

Chizz, you understand what i\'m sayin\' as well...:fro:

Right, I agree with you. I am looking at things from their perspective as well, and its a shame that they are as brainwashed as they are, however it does not justify their actions. If you can\'t take a step back and see that you\'re practicing a religion that promotes violence towards non-believers then you are a failure as a human being.

We should be civilized, however still need to keep our feet on their throats and not let up because of stupid bullshit like taking pictures of them naked or flushing a Koran. There\'s worse things that could happen.