Nintendo\'s last legs?

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Unicron!
Then Nintendo are crackheads too for saying it
Its because they cant that they stay with their profitable "niche" market.Actually if I wanted to go deeper I would have described that niche market they are relying on.

Hey, dumbass, we have all been saying already that Nintendo relys on their niche\' market and handheld industry, so don\'t think you got an original thought.

And why are the "crackheads" ? They make money. Infact, most likely they are doing better than they would if they decided to go head to head with Sony / MS. Going head to head with those two with Sony / MS would require a lot of funding in the research department, development department and probably most of all, the ad-campaign. What if their attempts flop? They lose a lot of money. Makes more sense to stay nice and steady, stay within their market and milk it.  Not to mention, I think Nintendo knows that three is a crowd. Three companies competing for one demographic is simply to much.

You know, it should be noted that Nintendogs isn\'t primarily aimed at stupid, bratty, little kids. It\'s for neurotic, cutesy loving, girls and gays .. and probably the general public that includes grannies. If you compare that to Sony\'s and Microsoft\'s traditional audience, it\'s a lot lot bigger.

Nintendo\'s direction isn\'t neccessarily going deeper into their niche market. It\'s expanding it for a wider audience.

Yea I\'m saying they should do that and try to bring back the PS2/Xbox sheep that left the flock somewhere after SNES.

That\'s what they\'d ultimately like to do. That\'s why the big push for Eternal Darkness early on and the Resident Evils. The one thing Nintendo isn\'t right now is content with their market position.

They want more marketshare, a surer footing for the future, and buckets full of cash.

That\'s just smart business sense.

Nintendo is a global corporation with decades in the video game business. They do not intend to be a small company.

-Dan

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Hey, dumbass, we have all been saying already that Nintendo relys on their niche\' market and handheld industry, so don\'t think you got an original thought.

And why are the "crackheads" ? They make money. Infact, most likely they are doing better than they would if they decided to go head to head with Sony / MS. Going head to head with those two with Sony / MS would require a lot of funding in the research department, development department and probably most of all, the ad-campaign. What if their attempts flop? They lose a lot of money. Makes more sense to stay nice and steady, stay within their market and milk it.  Not to mention, I think Nintendo knows that three is a crowd. Three companies competing for one demographic is simply to much.

Oh damn you are right.Too bad I knew it was stated before and worst of all for you that wasnt the point.DUH.
The original part is the "WHY" they keep relying  on that small(this is the magic word) niche market and profit despite that they arent selling great with the GC while at the same time the only companies competing face to face each other is Sony and Microsoft.
Oh I see another magic word coming,It is the word....indirect.If you are still battling with your IQ and dont get it I ll help your brain a little.Just a little though.They compete indirectly.They are always behind the scene while the other two are competing each other face to face.
Low cost hardware, and scarce advertising.You know why is this?Well as I said I ll help only a little your brain so I ll let you think about it and find it by yourself....AGAIN.

Say what you will about scarce advertising, but Nintendo has tv spots, theatrical trailers, special events, sponsored events and its own freakin\' magazine.

The problem is all the third party ads seem to promote playstation or xbox. That\'s what they need to fix.

They\'re not relying on a niche market, either. They\'re blessed to have that group who supports them for their fun, quality software. As I\'ve said, they\'re constantly trying to get a larger user base. They aren\'t relying on anything. After Sega, they\'re probably afraid of standing still.

They just have to find out what works, and it means an image change with the public and a way to bring in equal support from third parties.

I think in the last couple years they made great strides with Sega, EA and especially Namco. Time to keep the ball rolling and collect all the littler companies.

They recently updated their Nintendo Magazine to look a little more mature, giving out cover stories to T and M rated third party titles would be a good way to help out those companies by promoting heavily and directly to a portion of Nintendo\'s dedicated audience.

Nintendo also needs to be more accessible to the press. Get its games covered often and regularly in popular multi-platform magazines. Titles like Zelda and Mario will overshadow the generic shooters in a multi-platform magazine if Nintendo would give the editors enough material to work with.

At this point, the consoles are so equal that it\'s a marketing issue. Graphics are meaningless. The hype over HD is marketing, in my opinion. It\'s about games and selling them.

Nintendo needs to attract the third parties and get them to help advertise for their systems.

-Dan

Originally posted by Eiksirf
Say what you will about scarce advertising, but Nintendo has tv spots, theatrical trailers, special events, sponsored events and its own freakin\' magazine.

The problem is all the third party ads seem to promote playstation or xbox. That\'s what they need to fix.

They\'re not relying on a niche market, either. They\'re blessed to have that group who supports them for their fun, quality software. As I\'ve said, they\'re constantly trying to get a larger user base. They aren\'t relying on anything. After Sega, they\'re probably afraid of standing still.

They just have to find out what works, and it means an image change with the public and a way to bring in equal support from third parties.

I think in the last couple years they made great strides with Sega, EA and especially Namco. Time to keep the ball rolling and collect all the littler companies.

They recently updated their Nintendo Magazine to look a little more mature, giving out cover stories to T and M rated third party titles would be a good way to help out those companies by promoting heavily and directly to a portion of Nintendo\'s dedicated audience.

Nintendo also needs to be more accessible to the press. Get its games covered often and regularly in popular multi-platform magazines. Titles like Zelda and Mario will overshadow the generic shooters in a multi-platform magazine if Nintendo would give the editors enough material to work with.

At this point, the consoles are so equal that it\'s a marketing issue. Graphics are meaningless. The hype over HD is marketing, in my opinion. It\'s about games and selling them.

Nintendo needs to attract the third parties and get them to help advertise for their systems.

-Dan

Except for the adverdising part the rest of your post is irrelevant to my initial point.
Sony and MS spent more to promote their products btw.

Ofcourse you ve noticed that third party developers seem to push forward PS2 and XBOX more than GC.Now why this happens?Is it the kiddish Nintendo image?
The paradox is that Nintendo lacks third party support yet they manage to profit?
How can this happen?
It not hard to see that third party developers dont profit as much from GC while Nintendo seems to profit.

Thats because the only way to survive is to find other alternative solutions.These are what helped them profit.

Things like the low cost GC, and the handheld market helps them.

Its not because they are doing superb that Nintendo profits.

Trying to compete head to head with Sony and MS doesnt necessarily mean they should sacrifice any of their previous aims at offering unique gameplay and gaming experience that Nintendo has been known for.They are not doing it though

Also trying to present a slightly more mature image doesnt have to do much with their financial ability either.

edit:Orcourse I see what you are trying to say and you have good and right points.At the end I can agree with you that they indeed put some kind of effort.The reason we dont seem to agree is because we are describing different perspectives.

Yea I wouldn\'t change what they\'re doing now, just built on it.

For profit, it also doesn\'t hurt that they\'re the number two software publisher for sales behind Electronic Arts.

-Dan

As long as Nintendo continues to profit they don\'t need to change anything. But as Elk said they should build on it. If it ain\'t broke don\'t fix it. BTW LIC don\'t argue with these sony fanboys (I know im gonna get flamed for saying that but I really don\'t care). You would be better off arguing with a rock because atleast a rock has some unbiased common sense.