ps3 $399

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
You guys are not the economics genius you all pretend to be. You think corporate giants like MS and Sony will want to replace their consoles every 3-4 years? Think of the cost to develop it. Think of the royalties that they\'ll lose if developers can\'t put out more than 3 games per console in that short amount of time.

Hello.

Hey genius, I never said MS and Sony would want to replace their consoles every 3- 4 years. I simply said, if it happened, a price drop would have to happen.

My cell phone is a damn JOKE.  It comes with an alarm clock, calculator, and camera.  I just want it to make PHONE CALLS, WTF.

That is all.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by THX
My cell phone is a damn JOKE.  It comes with an alarm clock, calculator, and camera.  I just want it to make PHONE CALLS, WTF.

That is all.

I feel the same about games. All you people who buy game systems for DVD playback are crazy. Go buy a DVD player. I don\'t want a \'jack of all trades, master of none\'. I want a dedicated game system, just like I want a dedicated DVD player.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I feel the same about games. All you people who buy game systems for DVD playback are crazy. Go buy a DVD player. I don\'t want a \'jack of all trades, master of none\'. I want a dedicated game system, just like I want a dedicated DVD player.

^^^truth.com

[Paul2]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I feel the same about games. All you people who buy game systems for DVD playback are crazy. Go buy a DVD player. I don\'t want a \'jack of all trades, master of none\'. I want a dedicated game system, just like I want a dedicated DVD player.

For convenience, ps2 double as a dvd player could be convenience somehow.  A consumer could buy 2 or more dvd players for their home.  One in the living room, one his/her\'s brother\'s bedroom.  And a ps2 in his/her\'s bedroom.

Also, its a good move sony add DVD-ROM support for ps2.  Looks, most games uses the DVD-ROM format and if ps2 still stick to CD-ROM format.  then Final Fantasy X will require about 7 CDs to fill up the space because there is like a 45 minutes plus of CG rendered video in MPEG-2.  The CG rendered is dvd-video quality...Xenosaga uses double layer DVD.  That could means up to 13 CDs to store that many data.

Since the ps2 support DVD-ROM format, why not just add DVD-Video playback too.  Flexibility is a plus.

In my house, i have 3 stand a love dvd players.  One in each room and my own\'s room, i use the ps2 to play dvd video instead of buying another one since my tv is ntsc, not EDTV or HDTV.  The quality is not that great, and there are noticable video noise, but its cool for me since i am not demanding top quality out of ps2.

These points are faithful and true

Stop insulting the intelligence of the forums members here.

B. The PS3 is NOT a game machine aka video game console.

:eek: :eek:  Then what is it, an adult entertainment hub.

C. Sony never intended the Playstation to be only a game machine. Multi-functioned computers (PS3) cost more than game machines ex: 360, Revolution

OMG! Pull the blinders up Kid. You’re too funny that this is almost sad. PS3\'s increase in cost has nothing to do because it\'s a multi-function computer(which by those terms Xbox360 and the XBOX was), if you actually have read around, the Blu-ray Drive is costing SONY $100,  The console as a whole costs SONY$500 and they will sell it at $100 loss for $399. So if you minus the Blu-ray that makes the console $299 just like its competitor. Go figure.

Not that many people will buy a video game machine for their kids, but they will buy an entertainment computer that can play games for their kids,and play their Hi-Definition movies etc.

Not if it\'s to rich for there blood, especially when there is a cheaper counter-part.

- The fastest graphics processor of the next gen machines

It\'s as if you do not even attempt to make it look legit. Dude stop being a fanboy, and maybe we might take you seriously here. Not even I would ever make a statement like that, unless I was a devoted loyal slave for the Sony Corp. Nobody here knows which console will be the most powerful graphics’ wise, only blind sheep would think otherwise.

Your whole Post reads like a PS3 advertisement. I assume you are new here; little advice put a more effort into disguising your posts. Nothing Wrong with people whom have different opinions, we welcome diversity on these forums as long as your posts are genuine and objective, not blind fanboyism which you are obviously proud of, since you put little effort to hide it.

You want to have a serious discussion, your more than welcome to, just make sure to drop the whole I love and WORSHIP SONY at home.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I feel the same about games. All you people who buy game systems for DVD playback are crazy. Go buy a DVD player. I don\'t want a \'jack of all trades, master of none\'. I want a dedicated game system, just like I want a dedicated DVD player.

I was actually being sarcastic.  I\'m all for all-in-one devices for little electronic gizmos, videogames included.

And for the record I do use the alarm clock, tip calculator, and camera on my cell phone.  It\'s very handy.

[Evi]

And for the record I do use the alarm clock, tip calculator, and camera on my cell phone. It\'s very handy.

I use the tip calculator quite often. It\'s very cool.

It comes with an alarm clock, calculator, and camera

Doubt it drove the price up $100 more. Nothing wrong with certain devices that do more than there intended purpose, but to force it on the consumer when it\'s costing them big money is another story. AT least with cell phones you can choose from regular phone to PDA /mp3 player phone.

By the way I still use a Digital Nokia Phone from 2000. i hate the new phones there dial buttons suck on all of them, they are to small(my finger hits three buttons) now and no real tack feel. Also I hate the designs on the new phones. The only new Phone I liked was that SONY/Erickson phone that had the antenna hidden, that was a very astatically cool looking phone, simple but practical.

[Paul2]

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
What good is 1080P when .01% of HDTV support it at the moment. Also Bear in Mind 1080P if the developers choose to support it, those resolutions are not a standard, also we have yet to see the performance penalty in PS3 when out putting at those resolutions.

at the moment, its maybe true 1080p display is rare, and pricey.  But in a few years, that may change.
One can play their ps3 on ntsc output in 480i.  Then in a few years upgrade to hdtv and play it in 1080p or 1080i/720p for that matter.

its maybe true we will see performance penalty when outputting it in 1080p, but both xbox and ps3 have like 512 MB of RAM there.  256 of VRAM, and 256 on Main RAM.  That is pretty high.  So, that sounds like a good amount of ram to output 1080p running 60 plus of frames per second.  So, in most case, 1080p is doable.  If for some reasons 1080p is not doable because there are too many characters on screen or too many polygons uses that can\'t keep the game running at 60fps, running in 720p or 480p will do.  But I doubt that could happen since both x-box and ps3 are so powerful + 512 MB of RAM + easier to program than ps2 = very high quality videogames.  So, unless the developers are lazy or making a tight budget games.  We should be able to see games running at 1080p @ 60+ fps...

Also I think most of us know the real reason why Sony has opted to include the Blu-ray in PS3. They want to win the New HD-media War and by adding Blu-ray to ps3 which in my opinion is a very smart strategic move, which will help put a blow into the HD-DVD camp.

I agree with you there.  If I have to choose between the two format war.  I go with Blu Ray simple for its higher storage than HD-DVD.  So, I prefer Blu Ray to win the next generation video format than HD-DVD.

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Doubt it drove the price up $100 more. Nothing wrong with certain devices that do more than there intended purpose, but to force it on the consumer when it\'s costing them big money is another story.

So you think HD movie play is driving the cost up that much?  All a DVD player is is an optical drive + computer.  The PS3 already has both.  It would be a crime not to include it with the PS3.

If anything it will drive the costs down because if Blu-ray succeeds, Sony will be sitting on a boatload of cash which will put them in a very healthy position while competing with the 360.

at the moment, its maybe true 1080p display is rare, and pricey. But in a few years, that may change.
One can play their ps3 on ntsc output in 480i. Then in a few years upgrade to hdtv and play it in 1080p or 1080i/720p for that matter.

I know but, most people still have SDTV, and when 1080P TV\'s start to chum out, they will be very expensive and since HDTV\'s have not even saturated a tenth of the market yet, and the ones that have are only 1080i/720p. Don\'t get me wrong I think it\'s great that PS3 will output 1080P, however you mentioned the ram, but that\'s not going to cut it since that memory will need to be used far more important things, go over to beyond3d they have this long discussion on the 1080P for ps3 and most everywhere aggress it\'s a waste there wont be enough 1080p TV sales to merit 1080p as a resolution goal for most cutting edge games until next gen. That is, assuming, the Hardware can even handle a cutting edge game with AA, AF, HDR, and all the other bells and whistles of a top notch game at 1080p.


MS can get away with requiring 720p with 4xAA as the standard because they\'ve built a GPU that negates the performance hit associated with AA, with the PS3 AA at 720p resolutions may have a large impact on performance so 1080P would hurt even more, how much is yet to been seen. In PS3\'s case why would you use excess headroom to go to 1080p when you can use it to make your 720p game simply run faster and better? In other words I hope the PS3 can run it\'s games at 1080P will only a small performance hit, but as I mentioned above I highly doubt it. So is 1080P in gamming really practically, that is the question.

So you think HD movie play is driving the cost up that much

 
"According to the latest issue of Japanese magazine Toyo Keizai, Merrill Lynch Japan Securities has recently calculated an analysis that the production of a single PlayStation 3 console will cost Sony approximately 54,000 yen to make ($494), as of its initial release in 2006.

Merrill Lynch Japan estimates that the machine\'s main components--namely its Cell chip, RSX, and BD-ROM drive--will cost about 11,000 yen ($101) each. After adding the other electronics that will be used in the PS3, the machine\'s production cost goes up to 54,000 yen.

Come on Nvidia you know better than that.

CPU + GPU + BD-ROM = $303 ??

So a new processor that was R&D\'ed by Sony from the ground up is only $101?  A new state-of-the-art custom GPU developed by Nvidia is $101?  A new BD-ROM only costs $101, less than a DVD/CD-R combo drive?

Cost to manufacture is different from overall total cost to the company.  You knew this right?

Either way if you took out Hi-def media play all those components would still be there.  I can only imagine a red laser mechanism slowly loading a next generation GTA4, ugh.

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I can\'t believe you homos are actually arguing with Clowd again.