London hit by terrorist attack?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Belongs in Current Events.  Another reason Muslims should be deported from all western nations.  Sorry, but it is impossible to find every sleeper cell and stuff like this going to happen regardless of how prepared you are.

Solution:  Deport them.

Nah, you can\'t tar and feather them all with the same brush, I know a couple of muslims, and they are some of the nicest people you could ever meet.

They deplore these acts of terrorism as much as you and me. It\'s not the muslim faith that\'s at fault here, it\'s the extremists that are using it as an excuse to do this stuff.

Christianity has been used for the same purposes in the past.

Originally posted by GigaShadow


Solution:  Deport them.

That\'s absurd. There will always be rotten apples amongst any group, in this case extremist Muslims who stoop to terrorism.
 
But the key to succes is integration. Yes, it is a longterm proces which takes time and effort. Deporting them all at once becuz one cell did damage again sounds too much like Auschwitz.

Originally posted by Knotter8
That\'s absurd. There will always be rotten apples amongst any group, in this case extremist Muslims who stoop to terrorism.
 
But the key to succes is integration. Yes, it is a longterm proces which takes time and effort. Deporting them all at once becuz one cell did damage again sounds too much like Auschwitz.

Deporting them back to their own country is like Auschwitz?  Learn your history.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Hey...Japanese Concentration Camps....again? No thanks. The Muslims need to step up and help and stop their extremist brothers.

Won\'t happen.

You took it too literally. It\'s about the thought behind \'deportation\'.

I mean, why would they wanna come to the Europe/Western world in the first place ? To build up a better life and work there.

Yes.

You can\'t assume by default that they\'re just coming over to cause havoc or to parasite.

Like I said ; keep the guys in who respect western laws and civilization and contribute their share to a good community and kick out the ones who don\'t.

Deporting them all back is too rigorous.

(..and yes I know Auschwitz was deportation to extermination which most probably not what you meant with deportation. Sorry if it seemed that way. Never my intention to literally imply such a thing)

So, all our English friends here are safe? God I hope so. Sad when you can\'t even do everyday things like ride a bus, without worrying.

Originally posted by Knotter8
You took it too literally. It\'s about the thought behind \'deportation\'.

I mean, why would they wanna come to the Europe/Western world in the first place ? To build up a better life and work there.

Yes.

You can\'t assume by default that they\'re just coming over to cause havoc or to parasite.

Like I said ; keep the guys in who respect western laws and civilization and contribute their share to a good community and kick out the ones who don\'t.

Deporting them all back is too rigorous.

The problem is these fundamentalist clerics that run around in both the US and UK who spout hatred for the west and both governments don\'t have the balls to kick them out.  Without these people inciting others to join the "jihad" that might work.

The other problem is a lot of these people are sleepers and are very hard to pinpoint.  They act normal and nice, but underneath they are just waiting for the order to martyr themselves.

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I can\'t think of one Muslim leader that has stepped up and preached peace and for extremists to back down. I don\'t know any and the media would just love to put a mic to his/her mouth coz this is something they\'ve been looking for.

It\'s been all rhetoric from the Western leaders.....extremists won\'t listen to us. Maybe they\'ll listen to Mubarak...or SOME Muslim leader that\'s brave enough.

Yeah, but here in NL in recent years, the authorities had several succes cases by wrapping up such extremists. They got kicked out accordingly.

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Originally posted by guar
So, all our English friends here are safe? God I hope so. Sad when you can\'t even do everyday things like ride a bus, without worrying.

I\'m not anywhere near london, so yeah, I\'m 100% ok. I don\'t know of anyone who is from london here, but I\'m sure there are a couple.

The fact that I\'m nowhere near it doesn\'t make it any less worrying. There were reports of an attack being planned for london over 12 months ago, but they didn\'t know where and when. And because of that, you just don\'t know where else will be targetted next. I still remember the attack on manchester in 1996 by the IRA. I was actually in the part of the city that was hit about an hour before the bomb went off, and had I missed my bus that day, I\'d have probably been caught up in it.

When I got home it was on the news, I saw the street I walked down to get to the bus.

It\'s pretty firghtening when you live close to a big city, because you know that places like that are going to be a potential target.

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Belongs in Current Events. Another reason Muslims should be deported from all western nations. Sorry, but it is impossible to find every sleeper cell and stuff like this going to happen regardless of how prepared you are.

Solution: Deport them.[/Quote]

So very closed minded. By that note, African American\'s are more likely to be drug users and commit sexual crimes, do you recommend we deport them all also? You cannot hold a grudge against a whole religion / nation / gender / group, simply because some are radicals. It\'s insane.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip

So very closed minded. By that note, African American\'s are more likely to be drug users and commit sexual crimes, do you recommend we deport them all also? You cannot hold a grudge against a whole religion / nation / gender / group, simply because some are radicals. It\'s insane.

Nope you are mixing apples and oranges.  This is a war which some you have still failed to realize and I do hold a grudge against worshippers of Islam.  As Gman said where are the leaders of this religion condemning this and denouncing it in earnest?  This isn\'t a religion of peace.  It is a religion of violence and hatred.

Comparing it to drug abusers is reaching.  We have been hearing for years that this isn\'t what a majority who worship Islam are about... well, where the fuck are they - this so called silent majority who seem to turn their head when things like this happen.  Where is their leadership to condemn and hold these people accountable?

And what\'s President Bush\'s response?

"We will not yield to terrorists. We will find them and bring them to justice."
--USAToday

Wow, that sounds like what you said after 9/11 Mr. Bush. Looks like your plan has worked real well, eh?

Guess its time to use this as an excuse to go and invade another country! Whose next? Syria? Iran? Who wants some warfare??

Originally posted by Ghettomath
And what\'s President Bush\'s response?

"We will not yield to terrorists. We will find them and bring them to justice."
--USAToday

Wow, that sounds like what you said after 9/11 Mr. Bush. Looks like your plan has worked real well, eh?

Guess its time to use this as an excuse to go and invade another country! Whose next? Syria? Iran? Who wants some warfare??

What is your plan?  Withdraw our troops, hand over the Middle East to Islamic fundamentalism?  Give them the message that we are weak and can\'t stand up to terrorists Ghetto?  Wouldn\'t that encourage them to make further terror attacks to get what they wanted?  This is war for the 100th time - get it through your thick head.  They succeeded in Spain and now they are trying the same in the UK.  If Spain wouldn\'t have backed down this might not have happened as it would have shown them that terrorism will not intimidate a government or its people.

In reality, Bush\'s plan has worked for the US has it not?  I suppose you are now blaming Bush for what has happened in London?  I didn\'t know the UK fell under the Department of Homeland Security\'s jurisdiction.

As for your appeasement approach Ghetto - it doesn\'t work.  Case in point:

Telegraph.co.uk
(Filed: 13/03/2005)

Excerpt:

Ken Livingstone, the London Mayor, has hit out at the new anti-terror laws, saying people were at more risk from bird flu than al-Qa\'eda.

Tony Blair and his Cabinet colleagues argue the unprecedented threat from Islamic fanatics justifies the introduction of control orders for suspects who cannot be tried.

But Mr Livingstone said there was no prospect of a second September 11 and the danger was now less than during the IRA\'s heyday.

And the mayor, who was readmitted to the Labour Party last year, said if he was still an MP he would have voted against the new measures.

The current terror threat was "a bit less than the threat we had during the IRA", he told BBC1\'s Breakfast with Frost.

"There is always the danger that we will fail and someone will get through," he continued.

"We do not believe there is the chance of another September 11...

"The danger comes from two or three disaffected men doing something more like a car bomb ..... we are more at risk of dying from bird flu than we are from being blown up by any terrorist."
...

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/13/uterror.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/03/13/ixportaltop.html

I guess Ken\'s anti Iraq/anti Bush sentiments didn\'t insulate his city from an attack.  This fool even argued that if he were still an MP he would have voted against tougher anti terror measures.

Anyone else hear his new tune this morning?

Yahoo News/Associated Press
1 hour, 35 minutes ago
By YEOH EN-LAI, Associated Press Writer

Excerpt:

SINGAPORE - London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the blasts that ripped through his city Thursday were "mass murder" carried out by terrorists bent on "indiscriminate ... slaughter."

Livingstone, in Singapore where he supported London\'s successful bid to host the 2012 Olympics, was rushing back to London after the simultaneous blasts in London\'s subway network and a double-decker bus, causing deaths and hundreds of injuries.

"I want to say one thing: This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty or the powerful, it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners," Livingstone told reporters.

"That isn\'t an ideology, it isn\'t even a perverted faith, it\'s mass murder," Livingstone said. "We know what the objective is. They seek to divide London."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_eu/britain_explosions_livingstone/nc:732;_ylt=Ai0axFhSGbA38uGO_IfprNZ0bBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl