Sony might wait till 07 to launch PS3!!!

Originally posted by Knotter8
Sony\'s position for next gen is stronger and more secure than with PS2 launch.

I kind of disagree here.Back in the PS1 days Saturn was a dead console. and Nintendo fell very much behind.There was only one name leading the console industry.

Everywhere you saw the name Playstation.But now despite that XBOX isnt selling a lot MS has managed to establish a strong name thanks to its financial ability.Unlike previously Sony faces a company with huge capital.

Nintendo also reduced its kiddish image.

Competition is much much stronger and Sony has put lots of high cost risk in its effort to ensure success.More time will be needed than previously until Sony can see profit from it.PS3 is a very costy hardware with newly implemented technologies and if things dont go according to plan they will go down the drain.

Thats why analysts expressed some concernds regarding Sony\'s current position

One thing Nintendo is doing is getting its name in multiplatform magazines.

I think it\'s EGM this month that interviewed Miyamoto and Iwata and revealed a Zelda DS game is in the works.

If it can start getting coverage like that alongside Sony and Microsoft, it will bring its system back to the forefront where it\'s practically been a two system battle.

-Dan

This may be a smart thing for Sony. The PS2 has a large base and some cool games coming out and it just may be able to last a little longer. The delay can give Sony a chance to get some better games to take advantage of it\'s hardware. Just imagine a first gen ps3 game that almost takes full advantage of the system.

Originally posted by Skippy
This may be a smart thing for Sony. The PS2 has a large base and some cool games coming out and it just may be able to last a little longer. The delay can give Sony a chance to get some better games to take advantage of it\'s hardware. Just imagine a first gen ps3 game that almost takes full advantage of the system.

I dont think that PS3 will make PS2 have less support or sales if its released in 2006.Sony will continue supporting it and not everyone will want to purchase an expensive console with a $500 price tag.Some people will continue buying PS2 consoles and games.

Also I dont expect developers to take full advandage of the console\'s performance since they will have more motives to spend on game development on a console that can sell their products.They need the revenues.Spending on PS3 for too much time without selling their game generates only expenses.

I wouldnt want to see first gen games that will look as good as the future gen games either.I like seeing great improvements from gen to gen

I also believe that the console will be a lot cheaper in 2007 if it is released in 2006 than if its released in 2007

Originally posted by Unicron!
Everywhere you saw the name Playstation.But now despite that XBOX isnt selling a lot MS has managed to establish a strong name thanks to its financial ability.Unlike previously Sony faces a company with huge capital.

What do you mean by "Xbox isn\'t selling"?  It has been selling, enough to keep it in the number two position worldwide and it has been gaining popularity(sales) steadily ever since its debut.  It\'s the only console this generation that has not seen a decline in sales over its lifetime.  Microsoft\'s Xbox division has finally turned a profit thanks to the software side of things, but their hardware continues to be a black hole.

Originally posted by Rikku
What do you mean by "Xbox isn\'t selling"?  It has been selling, enough to keep it in the number two position worldwide and it has been gaining popularity(sales) steadily ever since its debut.  It\'s the only console this generation that has not seen a decline in sales over its lifetime.  Microsoft\'s Xbox division has finally turned a profit thanks to the software side of things, but their hardware continues to be a black hole.

Second position because GC is selling worse
Steady sales because of MS\'s financial ability and the fact that it was never selling a lot
And I was mainly refering to hardware sales.

btw I said "isnt selling a lot" not "isnt selling"

Originally posted by Skippy
This may be a smart thing for Sony. The PS2 has a large base and some cool games coming out and it just may be able to last a little longer. The delay can give Sony a chance to get some better games to take advantage of it\'s hardware. Just imagine a first gen ps3 game that almost takes full advantage of the system.

Sony would be foolish to stand in one spot too long while their competition moves forward.  They should ride a wave of momentum right into the next generation, not try to pick it back up while their adversaries cover more ground.  I\'ve already said it once but I\'ll say it again, everyone starts at zero next gen.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Second position because GC is selling worse
Steady sales because of MS\'s financial ability and the fact that it was never selling a lot
And I was mainly refering to hardware sales.

btw I said "isnt selling a lot" not "isnt selling"

What has MS\'s financial ability to do with the public\'s eagerness to pick up an Xbox?  Last I checked Microsoft isn\'t giving away Xboxes or selling them with $100 bills inside.

Never selling alot?  Last year the Xbox managed to outsell the PS2 three times according to NPD numbers.  Also the Xbox was selling some 200,000+ every month.  The Xbox managed to sell over 20 million consoles now, and considering that Japan (the number two market) doesn\'t buy Xbox I\'d say that\'s a pretty impressive feat.  I\'m sure you\'ll say otherwise or come up with a ridiculous excuse though...I can\'t wait to read it.

The fact that Microsoft managed to land itself in the number two position over Nintendo says something.  Perhaps something of a negative tone for Nintendo, but of a good one for Microsoft.

Originally posted by Rikku
What has MS\'s financial ability to do with the public\'s eagerness to pick up an Xbox?  Last I checked Microsoft isn\'t giving away Xboxes or selling them with $100 bills inside.

They can spend great amounts on adverdising and commercials

Never selling alot?  Last year the Xbox managed to outsell the PS2 three times according to NPD numbers.  Also the Xbox was selling some 200,000+ every month.  The Xbox managed to sell over 20 million consoles now, and considering that Japan (the number two market) doesn\'t buy Xbox I\'d say that\'s a pretty impressive feat.

Thats because PS2 sales have dropped.I dont recall XBOX selling 3 times as much for the whole year though.I remember XBOX\'s increasing sales for a couple of months thanks to a certain sequel->Halo2

 I\'m sure you\'ll say otherwise or come up with a ridiculous excuse though...I can\'t wait to read it.

I wonder why the ironic and offensive attitude towards me.We are only discussing.I didnt even say if XBOX is bad or good.

You just took a 2 line part out of a whole post and made a big issue out of it while it was pointing to a different subject

Only place ps3 has a strong hold on is japan. Outside of japan playstation 3 is good for the taking. Especally with the backlash sony has gotten with the awful ps3 controller and the expensive price tag.

Originally posted by Unicron!
They can spend great amounts on adverdising and commercials

As if Sony or Nintendo can\'t?  Marketing and advertising is part of the business, but it doesn\'t make people buy the product.  

Thats because PS2 sales have dropped.I dont recall XBOX selling 3 times as much for the whole year though.I remember XBOX\'s increasing sales for a couple of months thanks to a certain sequel->Halo2

Actually, PS2 sales have been quite good as of late.  There have been some declines, but they were usually followed by a sharp rise in sales.  Overall the PS2 remains a great seller, and the usual numbers coming the last year were a little over 200,000/month.  The Xbox managed to match, and, for three months, beat it.  The first time I believe was in April (way before Halo 2), the second time in June (again, before Halo 2), and the third in November (the month of Halo 2).  That\'s not a testament to Microsoft\'s funds, instead it\'s a clear sign that Microsoft is doing something right and that it\'s not just about Halo.

I wonder why the ironic and offensive attitude towards me.We are only discussing.I didnt even say if XBOX is bad or good.

It\'s frustrating that you never have all the facts, but you make arguements and debate as if you do.

Originally posted by Rikku
As if Sony or Nintendo can\'t?  Marketing and advertising is part of the business, but it doesn\'t make people buy the product.

Ofcourse they can.Thats what Sony is good at.But Nintendo is no match to Sony or MS when it comes to adverdising.

There is a reason why they make advertisments and marketing.Can you guess why?

Actually, PS2 sales have been quite good as of late.  There have been some declines, but they were usually followed by a sharp rise in sales.  Overall the PS2 remains a great seller, and the usual numbers coming the last year were a little over 200,000/month.  The Xbox managed to match, and, for three months, beat it.  The first time I believe was in April (way before Halo 2), the second time in June (again, before Halo 2), and the third in November (the month of Halo 2).  That\'s not a testament to Microsoft\'s funds, instead it\'s a clear sign that Microsoft is doing something right and that it\'s not just about Halo.

Well OKEY (sheesh) "tries to find where he said XBOX is bad"

It\'s frustrating that you never have all the facts, but you make arguements and debate as if you do.

Frustrating?
Dear lord here we go again.Not you too

"....You just took a 2 line part out of a whole post and made a big issue out of it while it was pointing to a different subject"

Sorry.I wont insult XBOX again.

Jesus

There are 2 factors :

1 - the initial consumer reaction to each consoles\' official launch date, price and launchgame list.

2 - the consumer reaction to the game reviews and hands-on play experience.

Point #1 is the spark, but point #2 is the decisive one.

MS has a really good console. They do however realize that Sony and Nintendo have all the time in the world.

The geeky early adopters might be very eager to get their hands on the first next gen console, the Xbox360, but we all know that the decisive sales succes will come from hardcore gamers who want value for money and the mass mainstream gamers ; by the time these ppl make a decision, the reviews will be pouring in.

So, that puts the pressure on Xbox360 and it\'s games to be as good as it can be for a lowest possible price.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Ofcourse they can.Thats what Sony is good at.But Nintendo is no match to Sony or MS when it comes to adverdising.

There is a reason why they make advertisments and marketing.Can you guess why?

To create awareness, an image, and ultimately sell their product.  But it still doesn\'t force people to buy it.  The consumer ALWAYS has the choice, and 20+ million people made the choice to buy an Xbox.  It\'s the same exact way Sony and Nintendo do things.  

Perhaps it surprises you that people buy Xbox for the games, I mean, what a foreign concept.  There are good games outside of Playstation land?  I, having owned all three consoles for nearly three years, can tell you there is.  Perhaps it would even perplex you to know that my Xbox is the only system in play at the moment.

Nintendo can do just fine with marketing and advertising, they just do things differently because they cater to a different audience than Sony or Microsoft.  I see far more Nintendo tv commercials (whether it be for a GC game, GBA, or DS) and Sony ads (Playstation 2, PSP) than I do for Xbox.  It\'s my opinion that Microsoft could do much better at the advertising game.  

Sorry.I wont insult XBOX again.

Jesus

I didn\'t accuse you of insulting Xbox, but it seems your guilty conscience has tattled on you.  I don\'t see how you perceive Sony or MS differently when it comes to their business practices.  They are, in large part, very similar and the reason for that is Sony has managed to create a gargantuan user base.  Microsoft wanted a piece of the same pie that Sony enjoys so they mimiced them in most all facets of the business.  How do you justify insulting Microsoft over Sony?

Just an FYI, Microsoft is aiming for a new customer base in an effort to expand the market much like Sony did some 10 years ago.  That\'s what J Allard meant when he said they want one billion gamers, it wasn\'t the targeted userbase for Xbox 360 but instead a challenge for the videogame competitors to push themselves to make the market grow.  This is why Microsoft is trying to change their image (the off-white color, softer font, Xbox Live and Xbox Marketplace, XNA).  If anything you should be hoping that Microsoft\'s efforts pay off.  Oh, and don\'t be scared for Sony, they aren\'t going anywhere.

Originally posted by Knotter8
There are 2 factors :

1 - the initial consumer reaction to each consoles\' official launch date, price and launchgame list.

2 - the consumer reaction to the game reviews and hands-on play experience.

Point #1 is the spark, but point #2 is the decisive one.

MS has a really good console. They do however realize that Sony and Nintendo have all the time in the world.

The geeky early adopters might be very eager to get their hands on the first next gen console, the Xbox360, but we all know that the decisive sales succes will come from hardcore gamers who want value for money and the mass mainstream gamers ; by the time these ppl make a decision, the reviews will be pouring in.

So, that puts the pressure on Xbox360 and it\'s games to be as good as it can be for a lowest possible price.

I agree with everthing except your last point.  Why does the Xbox 360 have to be at the lowest price possible?