Metal Gear Solid 4 (pics)

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I don\'t want to play Snake with heart disease. Actually I wouldn\'t care as much if it wasn\'t for that damn moustache!!

Lol, who cares what he looks like. As long as the game is kick-ass I\'d play with a grandma as a character.

no you won\'t

Originally posted by Soul Reaver
no you won\'t

Yes I will. I\'ll even make her do lewd stuff.

Originally posted by Riku
heh...

I\'m going to wait to see it in motion before I say anything about the animation.  I\'m going to wait for some gameplay impressions or play it for myself before I go raving about the physics.

The tech demos at E3 for the PS3 were just that, tech demos.  The games shown at E3 for Xbox 360 were actual works in progress.  We\'ve been over this already.

I don\'t know how you can tell so much from a picture, a magazine scan no less.

If you read my post more carefully you ll see the words "promise" "aiming" and "emphasis"

Killzone. Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword werent tech demos only, but supposed to represent games.

I didnt say thats what we are going to get either but thats what probably we are going to get since there was emphasis put in the physics that will be present in game.

How did I assume so much?Well, Hideo Kojima hinted that the game\'s realism wont be based on the level of graphical detail only but in other aspects like animation and physics.Also MGS2 based a lot of its realism not on only on the graphical detail but the way the enviroment behaved so thats another indication.

Now about the screens.Snakes facial expression looks natural.Not like a "Small Soldier"-looking lifeless facial expression which is very apparent in many games.

The skin looks like it has its own realistic muscles that give a lifelike feeling to the face even if there is no intense expression
(The better the ability to calculate facial expressions the more natural and expressive a face will look like Otacon\'s face.)


At the lower pic you can clearly see a realistic pose.It could be motion captured animation from a cut scene or whatever.But I am only speculating.You can understand the motion from his bandana\'s position.

http://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/game2/src/1126699534613.jpg


Lastly is the example of the walker bipedal thing.It looks like it has its own weight.

Ofcourse I am not saying these as facts.I am only speculating like everybody else.

As I said previously:

I am not saying that 360 cant do any of these as if its a prooven fact but I am guessing  from what I ve seen so far that this is what might make the PS3 stand out.

Originally posted by Unicron!
If you read my post more carefully you ll see the words "promise" "aiming" and "emphasis"

Killzone. Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword werent tech demos only, but supposed to represent games.

I didnt say thats what we are going to get either but thats what probably we are going to get since there was emphasis put in the physics that will be present in game.

How did I assume so much?Well, Hideo Kojima hinted that the game\'s realism wont be based on the level of graphical detail only but in other aspects like animation and physics.Also MGS2 based a lot of its realism not on only on the graphical detail but the way the enviroment behaved so thats another indication.

Now about the screens.Snakes facial expression looks natural.Not like a "Small Soldier"-looking lifeless facial expression which is very apparent in many games.

The skin looks like it has its own realistic muscles that give a lifelike feeling to the face even if there is no intense expression
(The better the ability to calculate facial expressions the more natural and expressive a face will look like Otacon\'s face.)


At the lower pic you can clearly see a realistic pose.It could be motion captured animation from a cut scene or whatever.But I am only speculating.You can understand the motion from his bandana\'s position.

http://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/game2/src/1126699534613.jpg


Lastly is the example of the walker bipedal thing.It looks like it has its own weight.

Ofcourse I am not saying these as facts.I am only speculating like everybody else.

As I said previously:

I don\'t care, but I think you\'re making too much out of too little.     I\'ll wait for something a little more concrete before I attempt to argue which system is more capable in any terms, but you may carry on.

[Jumpman]

Unicron is a retard don\'t worry.

But Jumpman is more

Originally posted by Riku
I don\'t care, but I think you\'re making too much out of too little.     I\'ll wait for something a little more concrete before I attempt to argue which system is more capable in any terms, but you may carry on.

I am guessing.I didnt say PS3 is more capable

Originally posted by Unicron!
I am guessing.I didnt say PS3 is more capable

I know you are guessing, obviously you haven\'t played it and you\'re privy to the same information and resources I am.  Having said that, I don\'t see anything to suggest that PS3 is more capable.  Motorstorm and Killzone were tech demos, concept art, they weren\'t actual in-game play or work-in-progress demonstrations.  Heavenly Sword was supposedly representative of actual work-in-progress, but the developers themselves stated that the close up facial animation, something you seem to suggest as evidence the PS3 might be more capable, was prerendered.  Other than Heavenly Sword and GT4 Vision, I don\'t think we\'ve seen an actual game in motion that is running on actual PS3 hardware.  On the other hand, most of everything you\'ve seen on Xbox 360 is actual work-in-progress.  It\'s not an even ground for comparison.

If you want think that the PS3 is more powerful then that\'s fine, but don\'t try to start an arguement when you have next to nothing to support your opinion.

I didnt say anything different from your first paragraph


 As for the last sentence I did back up my opinion.The difference is that I estimated, I refered to possibilities.I didnt state it as fact nor did I say that PS3 is more powerful.
 I was refering to them as  probabilities and not as concrete facts.I didnt use them to proove that PS3 is this and that but what "could" to speculate which I admited.I didnt say I cant be wrong.
Because if I said that PS3 was more powerful only then I wouldnt have had anything to back my opinion.

Originally posted by Unicron!
As for the last sentence I did back up my opinion.The difference is that I estimated, I refered to possibilities.

But you made the comparison of tech demos to work-in-progress.  I don\'t consider that to be common grounds for evidence to come to a conclusion that PS3 might be more powerful...

You know what, I don\'t care.  We\'ll see soon enough.

I was refering to what they might be aiming at.MGS4 is a work in process title that could be proof to that aim.

Its a misunderstanding.I was refering to what kind of realism they might be aiming for the PS3.

I didnt state that as fact or that XBOX360 wont be able to do the same for sure.

There wasnt any reason for an arguement in the first place.

Originally posted by Unicron!
I was refering to what they might be aiming at.MGS4 is a work in process title that could be proof to that aim.

Its a misunderstanding.I was refering to what kind of realism they might be aiming for the PS3.

I didnt state that as fact or that XBOX360 wont be able to do the same for sure.

There wasnt any reason for an arguement in the first place.

I was trying to see where you were coming from, and what supported your opinion.  I still don\'t get it, but that\'s okay.

Oh lookie lookie.Its almost as if I ve seen the video before.