israel & hezbollah...

The shit is about to hit the fan:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060808/wl_nm/mideast_israel_force_dc_4;_ylt=AmVe8S3rvzA0fsQqv65AxQIUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

An obvious ploy to bring the U.S. into it. And I\'m sure we will join no problem.... OUR GOVERNMENT MUST LOVE THE COMPANY OF TERRORISTS

I can understand Israel\'s reluctance to accept status quo UN troops in the area.  If there\'s one thing the UN lacks it\'s the teeth to back up it\'s rules.  NATO would be better, but the UN observers keep reporting that Hizbollah is firing rockets from \'close to their base\' but that\'s it.  

Any future international force there needs to have the manpower and firepower to engage anyone commiting a hostile act, as well as full global backing and color of right.

While I don\'t condone how they conduct themselves in "battle" and non-wartime. Anyone actually remember how and why hezbollah came to exsistence in the first place?

Hezbollah was formed in 1982 to fight the occupation by Israel, it originally sought also to bring Islamic Revolution to Lebanon, but soon abandoned this goal for a platform of democratic change, and elimination of the \'zionist\' state (Israel).  Originally it was formed and supoported by Iran and Syria, and is still supported and controlled by them, it represents about 10% of the population in Lebanon\'s parliament, and has all but abandoned the idea of total fundementalism within Lebanon (especially in the North).

However, it was the only one of many militias that refused to disband after the occupation was ended and the UN ruled that the armed militias must be disarmed.

fatal: syria allowed 1000-2000 iranian revolutionary guards to come in and help the ragtag group. Soon after Iran started the cash and arms flow.

The point I was trying to make to some who may not know was that hezbollah was a direct result of Israels invasion. I point this out as some very quickly will blame hezbollah 100% without realizing why they are there and do what they do.

It\'s kinda like starving a dog and then beating his ass when he tears up the trash.

Wow. What a major prestige loss this war has been for Israel and what a victory for Hezbollah. :applause:

Wow. What a major prestige loss this war has been for Israel and what a victory for Hezbollah. :applause:

You are cheering for Hezbollah???  What is wrong with you?

Yes this was 100 percent Hezbollah\'s fault despite what some want to believe.  If you really want to go back and place blame luckee - place it with the Arabs - Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and the PALS, who tried numerous times to destroy Israel right from the moment of its founding in 1948 and are still trying as evident by recent events.
 
As luckee said, Iran and Syria propped up and helped create Hezbollah.  They deny Israel the right to exist and countries like Iran deny the Holocaust even happened.  Who do you think Hezbollah gets its marching orders from?  It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

I second GigaShadow\'s post.

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I third GigaShadow\'s post.

I dont know why people pick one side or another in this whole thing. The conflict over land and beliefs is soooo old it will never go away untill there are either no more jews or no more arabs in that 10,000 square mile region.

You are cheering for Hezbollah???  What is wrong with you?

No I\'m cheering Israel got punched in the nose

Why is that?  Why do you dislike Israel so much?  It amazes me that Europe in general tends to lean toward supporting these Islamo-fascists and refuses to term them what they are - terrorists and religious fanatics.  Being that you are from a very secular part of the world Fastson this truly shocks me.  

I am skeptical about who actually won this incident - I wouldn\'t exactly call it a war either.  I do think Israel was initially surprised by the technology that Hezzbolah possessed, but I would hardly claim that Hezzbolah came out the victor in this conflict from a military standpoint.  From a propaganda standpoint in the Arab world and in Europe (I am puzzled by this) - yes, strategically - no.  If Israel really wanted to destroy Hezzbolah they easily could have.  On the other hand, Hezzbolah is only going to fight as long as it receives orders and support from Damascus and Tehran.

Israel is not the aggressor in this situation.  They pulled out of Lebanon and the Gaza strip and what happened once they did?  They wanted to give the Palestinians their country back, but the PALS blew that chance.  Hezzbolah kidnaps Israeli soldiers inside Israel.  I mean WTF?  How many times does it take to be kicked in the teeth for your good intentions?

Frankly, I\'m tired of Israel’s heavy hand when it comes to politics. I know they are in a tight situation with surrounding countries still bitter over their loss against Israel, but this does not excuse what Israel is doing in several areas.

Maybe this "fiasco" will put the lid on Israels gung-ho mentality for a while.

I would say both Lebanon and Israel are losers. Israel did not achieve all objectives, Hezbollah is still there and have more support now then ever before.
Lebanon lost out because most of the southern of the land has been destroyed, right when the country was on its way back up after Syria’s pull-out, also ~1000 of their countrymen are dead.
Hezbollah hasn’t managed to kick Israel all the way out (which is why they were formed in the first place), and now with the UN troops entering I think they will have a tough time striking at Israel again.

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hmmm...maybe it was just a bad idea to put israel in the middle of all those arab countries in the first place?......fast, whatever the case may be,...it\'s clear that the pals and everybody else in that region don\'t want to compromise..most have clearly stated that they want israel out of the entire region...as i\'ve stated before both sides have their moments, but when you have 14 yr old palestine kids blowin\' themselves up on a bus,...and their parents reinforce it, something is wrong with that picture...how can you negotiate with people that will strap a bomb to themselves on a whim? Israel is no saint in this at all but if i had to look at who is the real aggressor here, i\'d have to say it\'s the pals and hezbollah,...they were the one\'s who started this whole charade....did you see the video with those people firing rockets within a heavily populated civilian area?,..then when israel fires back, THEY get blamed for the death and destruction?...like I stated before, israel is no saint, but the crap that is coming from hezbollah and other arab nations regarding this situation is pure bulls**t...

Israel is not the aggressor in this situation.  They pulled out of Lebanon and the Gaza strip and what happened once they did?  They wanted to give the Palestinians their country back, but the PALS blew that chance.  Hezzbolah kidnaps Israeli soldiers inside Israel.  I mean WTF?  How many times does it take to be kicked in the teeth for your good intentions?

They struck gaza yesterday and today. What did the palestineans do since the cease fire? I haven\'t heard.

Israel keeps kidnapped offcials and militants as well so don\'t point the dirty end of the stick too quickly.

I wouldn\'t call it good intentions so much as bowing to the international community. Just two days before the cease-fire they doubled troops. They didn\'t intend to withdraw two days later, something most will probably never know happend. Or perhaps Israels supporter finally got into their ears.