PS3 not selling: True or False?

ever tried to uninstall IE or WMP?
it took a class action lawsuit to be able to do so.

download media is the devil

I suppose that depends how you look at things.  It\'s the way things are moving, and even Sony has recognized that.  Sony\'s own Phil Harrison stated that the PS4 might not even use discs but instead have a large hdd as they deliver games by download.

terrible idea.

wasn\'t that the Phantom\'s business model?

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Yeah. And we all know how well that went.

[Viper_Fujax]

i think there was more to the collapse of the Phantom than downloadable games.

I personally dont think theyll do full-on downloadable games for Ps4. MAYBE Ps5. What u quoted (for lack of a better term) riku was speculation about a future that noone knows..almost as good as poop.

Other than the HD-DVD add-on, which is manufactured by Toshiba, Microsoft has no interest... Why, because Microsoft wouldn\'t benefit from it.  Toshiba is likely the one to have a deal with regards to HD-DVD...  

Think bigger,  think evil

If Microsoft has nothing to lose or gain from either side,  why would they back David (Toshiba & NEC) and not Goliath (BDA)?  Or why didnt they just stay neutral like Apple? Believe me,  they didnt just give Toshiba the right to make a HD-DVD add on.  Microsoft salesman are in full force across America campaigning for and advertising for not only the HD-DVD addon but also standalone Toshiba HD-DVD players .  That doesnt sound like someone who doesnt care about HD-DVD vs blu-ray.   Make of it what you want

... walked into a store yesterday.  Noticed 1 PS3 60gb(no space set aside for 20GB),  no Xbox 360 premiums and 10 xbox cores.  It took Sony 2 months to realize a \'core\' system is a joke.  How long before MS does? Or maybe they enjoy addon sales?

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i think there was more to the collapse of the Phantom than downloadable games.

I personally dont think theyll do full-on downloadable games for Ps4. MAYBE Ps5. What u quoted (for lack of a better term) riku was speculation about a future that noone knows..almost as good as poop.

you know what, i agreed with your speculation here.  I still believe PS4 will uses optical disc media, and something similiar of HVD.  Maybe PS5 "might" be full download HDD base...but i highly doubt this will be the case with PS4.

Think bigger,  think evil

If Microsoft has nothing to lose or gain from either side,  why would they back David (Toshiba & NEC) and not Goliath (BDA)?  Or why didnt they just stay neutral like Apple? Believe me,  they didnt just give Toshiba the right to make a HD-DVD add on.  Microsoft salesman are in full force across America campaigning for and advertising for not only the HD-DVD addon but also standalone Toshiba HD-DVD players .  That doesnt sound like someone who doesnt care about HD-DVD vs blu-ray.   Make of it what you want

... walked into a store yesterday.  Noticed 1 PS3 60gb(no space set aside for 20GB),  no Xbox 360 premiums and 10 xbox cores.  It took Sony 2 months to realize a \'core\' system is a joke.  How long before MS does? Or maybe they enjoy addon sales?

The whole evil empire motif of Microsoft is so tired.  The fact of the matter is they do no more "evil" than any other company, Sony included.

Did you even read that article you posted?  Microsoft wants the HD-DVD/blu-ray battle to go on so as to buy them time to establish downloaded media as a viable option.  You\'ll have to show me proof of the MS salesmen actually selling HD-DVD.  They\'re advocates, sure, for aforementioned reasons, but they\'re not actually selling the hardware.

People who can\'t understand the importance of the Core are idiots.  I\'m sorry, but you need to know this.  Not every nation is as developed as the U.S., Europe, and Japan.  IIRC, Microsoft is selling the 360 in 37 countries so far.  Some of them don\'t have broadband access what-so-ever, but play games.  Tell me, what is the value of a system that has a 20GB HDD and Live accessories if you can\'t connect to Live?  Would you agree that 20GB is overkill for basic gamesaves?  

Also, making the HDD seperate encourages developers to make games for the core, thus worldwide more gamers can enjoy more games.

Having learned from the 360\'s predecessor, the HDD is not something Microsoft wanted to be financially burdened with again seeing as how it was one of the primary components that attributed to the Xbox never making a profit.  The HDD never came down in cost.

I could go on and on, and even bring up some statistics proving that the majority of gamers are not broadband connected (some don\'t even care) and do not have HD televisions.  They\'re not going to perceive value in something they don\'t have the means to appreciate, and wouldn\'t shell out $$$ for it.

not many people have access to 10mb+ (in the US, i understand other countries are vastly different)

catering to the elite is not a good business model.

Where I am people dont mind downloading GBs for days living their computers running 24hs a day.

You cant imagine how many games and movies they are downloading through adsl in GBs.

I dont think many would mind to do that

terrible idea.

wasn\'t that the Phantom\'s business model?

Only a part of it. But the reasons it died before it even launched were irrelevant to downloadable content, and also even if it did launch downloadable games would have been a wrong decision at that time.

Sony is thinking about it. Its not decided. According to how things evolve they will take the appropriate measurtes until then. Also I doubt it wont have disks. BR format isnt here only to dissapear 7 years later. They will continue to support it in their product which is aimed to have multible functions and usages. Limiting it wont be in their plans I am sure.

Anyways wether its a bad or good idea its true that buying all kinds of enterteinment media like movies and games is becoming even more common and widespread as time passes. I dont know when but I am postive that after some time buying entertainment through downloads could be as popular as disks or who knows might become more popular.

People love taking their USBs full of hundreds or thousands of MBs in music, programs etc. The iPOD started this trend and I wouldnt have found it strange if someday more advanced iPods would exist that will be able to store HD movies. This trend also gives birth to other similar products. Soon people might be having players connected on their TVs that play both disks and downloaded content compatible with USB storage devices. As people find more convenient copying these files on multible devices and carrying them through USBs and iPods these devices will rely less on disks and more on file management

You\'ll have to show me proof of the MS salesmen actually selling HD-DVD.  They\'re advocates, sure, for aforementioned reasons, but they\'re not actually selling the hardware.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/feature_microsofthddvdinterview.html

If thats not strong Microsoft support of HD-DVD and it\'s products,  I dont know what is.

They are using HD-DVD as a smokescreen to slow HD disc progression toward mainstream and as a guinea pig for testing their codecs

People who can\'t understand the importance of the Core are idiots.  I\'m sorry, but you need to know this.  Not every nation is as developed as the U.S., Europe, and Japan.  IIRC, Microsoft is selling the 360 in 37 countries so far.  Some of them don\'t have broadband access what-so-ever, but play games.  Tell me, what is the value of a system that has a 20GB HDD and Live accessories if you can\'t connect to Live?  Would you agree that 20GB is overkill for basic gamesaves?  

Also, making the HDD seperate encourages developers to make games for the core, thus worldwide more gamers can enjoy more games.

Undeveloped nations?  And I dont think its going out on a limb to suggest undeveloped nations account for a small amount of the 360 userbase.

Not including the HDD in the core version was a mistake,  like it or not.  Just how much trouble could it be to include a 20GB HDD?  I\'m sure gamers would rather spend extra money on a HDD then having to buy what is it,  $40 64mb memory cards?  That alone pushes the price of the core near the premium.  Anybody getting a core is a complete fool,  whether they have access to Xbox Live or not.  The fact is what Microsoft decided to include in the core and premium 360s was a mistake.

Having learned from the 360\'s predecessor, the HDD is not something Microsoft wanted to be financially burdened with again seeing as how it was one of the primary components that attributed to the Xbox never making a profit.  The HDD never came down in cost.

Seriously,  how expensive can a 20GB HDD be?  There is 100GB 2.5 inch HDDs out there for around $80.  You\'re telling me 1/5th that size is a financial burden?  

But in the end, thats what it comes down to.  Microsoft designed the 360 to make money for them,  not to be future proof.  Sony is taking huge hits financial wise to make the PS3 futureproof.  As for the 360 it will probably be replaced sooner rather then later by the rumored XBOX 2.5 (HDMI 120GB HD).  The more I look at the more the 360 and wii look ancient compared to PS3

And if Microsoft was so concerned about price,  why include all those 360 extras in the premium?

I could go on and on, and even bring up some statistics proving that the majority of gamers are not broadband connected (some don\'t even care) and do not have HD televisions.  They\'re not going to perceive value in something they don\'t have the means to appreciate, and wouldn\'t shell out $$$ for it.

Its sad Microsoft decided to include tons of extras in the premium that most will never use accoridng to your \'statistics\'.  All 360s having HDDs would have been a + to developers.

I\'m not picking on the 360 here.  I think both cores of the PS3 and 360 are a joke.  They should not exist.

they exist for one reason, false perception of value for the higher tier price

Every console is outselling the ps3. Its too expensive. But so fucking what that how it is. Stop dreaming of sony selling millions right now. There are no good games for it. And 360 had a good lead. For the life of me I  cannot understand  why  people seem to love the wii to no extent. The console has no interest or value to me. But hey to each its own. I would take anyone\'s ps3 right now.

[Viper_Fujax]

For the life of me I  cannot understand  why  people seem to love the wii to no extent.

I have been wondering the same damn thing for a long time.

The ps3 will be awesome for me once stuff like shadow of the collosus 2 and god of war 3 come out. March should be good for the ps3 though..and 2008 when those games should be out

Stop dreaming of sony selling millions right now. There are no good games for it.

*marking this thread for later reference

Considering they\'re tip-toeing around the 2 million mark as we sit here...