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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2008, 10:49:53 AM »
nvm, was going to post pics here from that link for a comparison but the pics doesn\'t work.
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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2008, 02:31:50 PM »
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you will.

unless they don\'t own a HDTV, the difference is noticeable instantly.
"proper sets"?

You honestly have no clue what you\'re talking about.

It all depends on the size of the set compared to the viewing distance and resolution.


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In conclusion: If you are a videophile with a properly setup viewing room, you should definitely be able to notice the resolution enhancement that 1080p brings. However, if you are an average consumer with a plasma on the far wall of your family room, you are not likely to be sitting close enough to notice any advantage
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     576 resolution     720     1080
32" inches    8\' feet    6\'    4\'
37"    10\'    7\'    5\'
40"    10.5\'    8\'    5\'
42"    11\'    8\'    5.5\'
46"    12\'    9\'    6\'
50"    13\'    10\'    6.5\'
52"    13.5\'    10\'    7\'
65"    17\'    13\'    8.5\'

Any more dumb and just plain wrong comments?
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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2008, 02:47:32 PM »
yes, you\'re arguing something different to avoid the point.

is HD recognizable over SD on a HDTV.
please keep to the specific discussion next time.
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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2008, 02:49:35 PM »
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yes, you\'re arguing something different to avoid the point.

is HD recognizable over SD on a HDTV.
please keep to the specific discussion next time.

And I just posted something showing that for some people, it is not going to be noticeable. And if people aren\'t going to notice the advantage of HD, they have no reason to adopt it.

Please know what you\'re talking about the next time.

And what point? As usual, you have no point.
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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2008, 02:52:36 PM »
now it\'s "some" people?
it was "quite a few" earlier.

care to keep changing your status?

the average person can easily tell the difference between SD and HD, and will not be "satisfied" with DVD\'s on all the new HDTV\'s that are being sold everyday.
ergo, BD will not be a niche format, or still be a niche format, whichever you decide at any given time.
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« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2008, 02:56:46 PM »
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now it\'s "some" people?
it was "quite a few" earlier.

care to keep changing your status?

the average person can easily tell the difference between SD and HD, and will not be "satisfied" with DVD\'s on all the new HDTV\'s that are being sold everyday.
ergo, BD will not be a niche format, or still be a niche format, whichever you decide at any given time.

You want to argue over one word used -  "some". You know what I meant. I\'ll say it this time  and I\'ll rephrase yet again.

Most people will not notice the difference, as the average person sits further away than the viewing guide recommends.  Just because HDTV\'s are sold all the time means nothing, as for the most part, standard TV\'s are being done away with. Just because it is sold, does not mean people will take advantage of the HDTV. Do you honestly think people are going to re-arrange their living room just to watch a friggin\' movi?

The average person will not notice the difference and will be satisfied just fine with standard DVDs.

Hi-def = niche format.
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« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2008, 03:04:38 PM »
no, i do not know what you meant.
this is what people do to back peddle after making a claim.
they alter the fine details and suggest the other party should comprehend or is an idiot.

do you remember when people claimed $1,000 DVD players were a niche?  who needs DD 5.1 sound because owning a home theater is foolish?

you\'re burying your face into that chart and not acknowledging what\'s important.  people are not buying HDTV\'s and home theaters to just watch DVD\'s when Hi-Def is an option.

i\'m actually surprised you would stick to this nonsense theory and not even slide a "maybe" or "possibly" in there.  

if Hi-def downloads were accessible or practical, you might be remotely near correct.


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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2008, 03:33:34 PM »
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people are not buying HDTV\'s and home theaters to just watch DVD\'s when Hi-Def is an option.

that\'s quite true.  There are many other reasons why people buy hdtv beside watching DVDs like playing videogames console in high def, and blu ray movies in high def doesn\'t hurt either.  terrestrial and cable broadcast in high def looks great too...

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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2008, 04:10:23 PM »
One side note:  I\'d wager that most consumers make the decision to buy an HDTV based on the experience of seeing one in an electronics store showroom.  In that environment, they are probably viewing the screen from 3-5\' away.  Easily close enough to notice the improved resolution.
 
I bet they do not say to themselves "I don\'t need to buy that because when I install it in my living room, the screen will be too far away to notice the difference."  To me that would be crediting the average consumer with WAY too much intelligence!  :)
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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2008, 04:25:05 PM »
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Minus the facts.........

1: Viewing distance.

2: Proper calibration.

3: Proper sets.

4: Varying degree\'s of quality movie to movie .

5: Size of set + viewing distance

6: Not everyone can notice hi-def. I know quite a few people who notice no difference.

The list goes on and on.

You guys act like that if you put in a hi-def disc, you will notice the difference right off.


1-6 and you really only have 3 different thoughts.  So yeah, list can go on and on if you keep going redundant.

Blue Ray is 1080p and DVD is 480p.  You seriously don\'t think you\'d notice a difference?  I mean you guys use to bitch about the smallest jaggies in games and you can seriously defend standard DVDs against Blue Ray?  

Not really sure what viewing distance and screen size has to do with clarity of the image and whether you notice the difference or not. Unless the movie was shot with a handy cam (IE Blair Witch) you will notice a difference the second the screen pops up with an image no matter how far back or close you are and no matter the screen size.

By the way, you can buy an HD-DVD player now for 90 bucks and it includes 7 movies.  How\'s that for a liquidation sale?
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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »
My bro and his girlfriend who aren\'t even home theater enthusiasts definitely notice the difference on their 50" SXRD.  His gf even pushes to get the BR version of every movie they buy/rent because of it.

It\'s not just lines of resolution that increases.  It\'s color information, menu interactivity, and sound fidelity.

Bottom line is it\'s a smarter, more flexible, and more advanced format.  Just like how interlacing is dying, DVD needs to die as well.

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Blue Ray is 1080p and DVD is 480i.

Just a small correction
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2008, 04:57:27 PM »
they made Progressive scan DVD players.
were originally 480i

whether your TV would deinterlace the signal anyways is debatable.
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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2008, 05:05:34 PM »
Progressive player or not, the source is still very interlaced.  In addition to de-interlacing, players also upscale DVD to 1080p, but the source is still 480i.

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2008, 05:25:15 PM »
Even when you take out the viewing distance and what not, Blu Ray just not offer the benefits that DVD offered over VHS. People did not adopt DVD due to video quality, they adopted it for low price and convient features such as no rewinding / menus / and other stuff, standard stuff now\'a\'days.

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One side note: I\'d wager that most consumers make the decision to buy an HDTV based on the experience of seeing one in an electronics store showroom. In that environment, they are probably viewing the screen from 3-5\' away. Easily close enough to notice the improved resolution.

I bet they do not say to themselves "I don\'t need to buy that because when I install it in my living room, the screen will be too far away to notice the difference." To me that would be crediting the average consumer with WAY too much intelligence!


The same showroom models that have the contrast and brightness cranked up to the max? Right... There is no arguing that they are closer to the display to notice a difference, but those models are not properly calibrated either - so are they really noticing what hi-def can offer? No, they aren\'t.

And what happens when they get home and they put that small-ass 38" screen 8 - 10 feet away from their seats? All of a sudden, the increased resolution is no longer a factor.

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sound fidelity.


The average person either lacks a sound system or is still running a 5.1 . They aren\'t going to take advantage of all the new audio codecs and what not. I also fall into this catergory, as I couldn\'t care less about sound quality.



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they alter the fine details and suggest the other party should comprehend or is an idiot.


I\'m not suggesting you\'re an idiot. I know you\'re an idiot .

You simply nitpick things to try and prove some absurd point.

I don\'t need a "possibly" or "maybe". Blu-Ray and any hi-def format is a niche format. It\'s a transition format, that the early adopters will enjoy, but the general audience won\'t embrace. It\'s the in bewteen format, that only serves to show what the future can hold and pave the way for an actual format to take over DVD. Will that format be Blu Ray? No, most certainly not.

I own both formats and I would never recommend someone to buy into either format to replace DVD. With the current prices and so many variables needing to be correct to take advantage of hi-def, it simply is not worth it. If it was not for the fact that I\'m an early adopter and I love new stuff, I probably wouldn\'t buy either format. But I do, so I am part of the group that helps hi-def formats maintain that niche status, as opposed to a "DEAD" status.



And before you post that stupid link again, get back to me when that is a constant.
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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2008, 05:37:50 PM »
lol at "transition format" now
keep refining that argument till you might squeek out something accurate.
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