US Healthcare

There would be more jobs if companies weren\'t taxed so much.  In order for universal healthcare to exist taxes need to be raised.

A vicious cycle yes, but one that taxing or universal healthcare doesn\'t solve.

It\'s need greed, it\'s called liberty.  The government has no right to take the things that belong to me.

[Jumpman]

Circular logic hurts my head.

The goverment can and should take away on the healthcare issue. WHAT GOD GIVETH HE CAN TAKETH...or something like that.

It\'s not even universal healthcare...health insurance is a broken system in itself.

I think the current system is better because it is an incentive for people to get a job, even if it is not a desirable one.  If we had universal healthcare than the incentive for people to seek work lessens.  This is precisely the reason I am against welfare.  Anything that discourages people from getting a job should be eliminated.

[Jumpman]

But where\'s your proof?

I\'d like to site...every other 1st world country as my proof.

I think you\'re just interested in spouting some rehearsed liberty lines while trying to maintain the status quo for your slight benefit. You\'re like a walking contradiction.

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By affordable do you mean universal? Who is going to pay for it? Are we going to cover illegal aliens too? I certainly don\'t want to give coverage to any non US Citizen. I also don\'t think it is right that I should wait in line with jobless bums to see a doctor. This would be the beginning of a welfare state.

Every tax payer should pay for it.

I personally could go either way on the illegal aliens thing because I have mixed opinions on that.

And when it comes to you with a flu or a jobless person with a flu, I\'d like to see you both waiting on the same line. There are no qualifiers on whether or not a person deserves health care.

The death penalty doesn\'t discriminate based on employment, neither should the life benefit. Employment is unrelated. Wealth is unrelated. If you\'re alive, you should receive affordable health care.

Every tax payer should pay for it.

I personally could go either way on the illegal aliens thing because I have mixed opinions on that.

And when it comes to you with a flu or a jobless person with a flu, I\'d like to see you both waiting on the same line. There are no qualifiers on whether or not a person deserves health care.

The death penalty doesn\'t discriminate based on employment, neither should the life benefit. Employment is unrelated. Wealth is unrelated. If you\'re alive, you should receive affordable health care.

So why even get a job if I can have the same benefits?  If you don\'t have health insurance you go to a Free Clinic.  It\'s not there\'s no place for you to go.

If you\'re alive, you should receive affordable health care.

who decides what "affordable" is. thats a pretty relative term
to me affordable=free but i dont want free healthcare if it just means more taxes

And when it comes to you with a flu or a jobless person with a flu, I\'d like to see you both waiting on the same line. There are no qualifiers on whether or not a person deserves health care.

That\'s what we need, people milking the system even more.  PASS

[Living-In-Clip]

I think the current system is better because it is an incentive for people to get a job, even if it is not a desirable one.  If we had universal healthcare than the incentive for people to seek work lessens.  This is precisely the reason I am against welfare.  Anything that discourages people from getting a job should be eliminated.

You want to eliminate programs based on some crazy logic. Programs like welfare are there to help people who fall on hard times due to illness / losing a job / etc. If you do away with those programs, those people become homeless and it gets even more complicated for them to get a job. Yes, some people abuse them. That\'s anything. But for everyone who abuses them, there is some one else who has a legitimate reason to use the program and it helps them keep food on the table for their children.  I know this for a fact.  My parents had to use welfare at one point when I was a child - I\'m not ashamed. Both of them had cancer and were in and out of the hospital. Eventually they couldn\'t work due to medical issues and had to turn to a welfare program for a short time and guess what? It kept food on our table. A brief time later, they were better and able to get their feet back on the ground.



Think before you post or suggest to eliminate Government programs.

And when it comes to you with a flu or a jobless person with a flu, I\'d like to see you both waiting on the same line. There are no qualifiers on whether or not a person deserves health care.

The death penalty doesn\'t discriminate based on employment, neither should the life benefit. Employment is unrelated. Wealth is unrelated. If you\'re alive, you should receive affordable health care.

Preach it.

From the time I aged out of my parent\'s health coverage in 1990 until I accepted my current position in 1997, I had no health insurance.  For seven years I was not under any plan, because I could not afford even the cheapest coverage as an individual at the beginning of my career.
 
Was I a poor lazy welfare recipient of the sort you conservatives despise?  NO, I was working my ass off as a long-term temp.  That\'s how corporate america operates.  They don\'t pay you anything to support your health and well being unless they are forced to.  By that I mean - unless the employee has attained a level of experience and indispensability that makes it very costly for the employer to replace them.  Then they start to consider "retention policies."
 
Until that time, you\'re on your own and you\'re FUCKED if something bad happens to you.  Fortunately nothing happened to me during that time, but didn\'t stop me from worrying about it.
 
You conservatives love to reduce this to a simple formula of "ME vs. the LAZY POOR PEOPLE," but it\'s not at all that simple.  The lack of affordable health care hurts ordinary middle class people, AND the working poor.  It also cripples our global competitiveness and reduces the productivity of our national work force.  This attitude of "don\'t take anything out of my pocket to support someone else" is like spending a dollar to save a dime.  It\'s ass backwards.

From the time I aged out of my parent\'s health coverage in 1990 until I accepted my current position in 1997, I had no health insurance.  For seven years I was not under any plan, because I could not afford even the cheapest coverage as an individual at the beginning of my career.
 
Was I a poor lazy welfare recipient of the sort you conservatives despise?  NO, I was working my ass off as a long-term temp.  That\'s how corporate america operates.  They don\'t pay you anything to support your health and well being unless they are forced to.  By that I mean - unless the employee has attained a level of experience and indispensability that makes it very costly for the employer to replace them.  Then they start to consider "retention policies."
 
Until that time, you\'re on your own and you\'re FUCKED if something bad happens to you.  Fortunately nothing happened to me during that time, but didn\'t stop me from worrying about it.
 
You conservatives love to reduce this to a simple formula of "ME vs. the LAZY POOR PEOPLE," but it\'s not at all that simple.  The lack of affordable health care hurts ordinary middle class people, AND the working poor.  It also cripples our global competitiveness and reduces the productivity of our national work force.  This attitude of "don\'t take anything out of my pocket to support someone else" is like spending a dollar to save a dime.  It\'s ass backwards.

It is capitalism, read my signature.  This country is not about entitlements.  Your rights are in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  Where in there does it say people are "entitled to free or affordable health care"?  I am an ordinary middle class person and I have health care.  I pay the deductibles.  I don\'t want to pay for someone else\'s health care.  

It was your responsibility during that time to either have health care or not.  It is not governments responsibility to provide it.  You want this country to carry the irresponsible and the poor.

That is the kind of belief system that conservatives hold when they are economically well off and have full health coverage.
 
I would never wish this on you, but it could happen to anyone:  Hypothetically speaking, if you should ever be fired or kicked off your health insurance, and then have to pay for cancer treatment for yourself or your spouse, I wonder if your opinion would change.

LIC & Cored,

I can sympathize with the fact that you had fallen on hard times.  However the solution is to make everyone else suffer slightly so that those who are suffering the worst can become slightly better off.  The further left we go, the smaller that gap becomes and eventually everyone is suffering the same.

This country was not founded on collectivism, it was founded on individual liberty.  People create their own wealth.  If you become ill there is disability.  If you don\'t have health insurance there are free clinics.

Not everyone can have the best things in this world.  You have to work hard and earn your luxuries in life.  I\'ve worked my whole life to get where I am, and I\'ve made a lot of sacrifices.  I\'m tired of the government telling me that\'s not enough.

I am a member of the Campaign for Liberty, and I want to share with you its mission statement:

To promote and defend the great American principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and political activity.

This isn\'t about what\'s fair, it\'s about what\'s American.  The idea that anybody can achieve success if they work hard in life.  You just have to have desire and will power.  That my friends is what this country was founded on.

This country was not founded on collectivism, it was founded on individual liberty. People create their own wealth. If you become ill there is disability. If you don\'t have health insurance there are free clinics.

Spoken like someone who has never been to a "free clinic."  I have never been to one either, but apparently I know a little more about them than you do.
 
Stop using this "free clinic" line as a fig leaf.  Not every medical problem can be solved with antibiotics or stitches.  I\'d like you to be the one to tell someone they can fuck off when they need heart surgery to save their life.