US Healthcare

I can sympathize with the fact that you had fallen on hard times.

BTW, I also want to point out that I did not fall on hard times.  Mine is a perfectly ordinary story that is experienced by millions of hard working individuals in this country.

[Living-In-Clip]

LIC & Cored,

I can sympathize with the fact that you had fallen on hard times.  However the solution is to make everyone else suffer slightly so that those who are suffering the worst can become slightly better off.  The further left we go, the smaller that gap becomes and eventually everyone is suffering the same.

This country was not founded on collectivism, it was founded on individual liberty.  People create their own wealth.  If you become ill there is disability.  If you don\'t have health insurance there are free clinics.

Not everyone can have the best things in this world.  You have to work hard and earn your luxuries in life.  I\'ve worked my whole life to get where I am, and I\'ve made a lot of sacrifices.  I\'m tired of the government telling me that\'s not enough.

I am a member of the Campaign for Liberty, and I want to share with you its mission statement:



This isn\'t about what\'s fair, it\'s about what\'s American.  The idea that anybody can achieve success if they work hard in life.  You just have to have desire and will power.  That my friends is what this country was founded on.

Yes, in a dream world any single person can achieve any goal. Too bad this isn\'t a dream world.

[Jumpman]

Stop mentioning free clinics. You clearly possess no knowledge of their capabilities or their abundance.

This isn\'t about what\'s fair, it\'s about what\'s American.  The idea that anybody can achieve success if they work hard in life.  You just have to have desire and will power.  That my friends is what this country was founded on.

What if you work hard and don\'t achieve the level of success required for a decent healthcare plan?

I get some heat for this but I feel its the only way to communicate with you and Giga sometimes.



How the fuck can you be pro life when the US has one of the worst infant mortality rates of first world nations? Life fail.

[Paul2]

does genetics play a role here?  What if poor family are likely to remain poor while rich family are likely to remain rich?  Like maybe poor family aren\'t as smart as rich family in general, so they are more likely to be poor.

Even the way poor and not so smart family might raise their kids improperly, and the kids would grow up to be poor, and work on low income jobs.  Then when they have kids their own, the pattern continues and less likely to have a kid that would be successful and become rich than the middle class or the upper class kids.  Part of it has to do with the way the kids were raised, and genetics might play a role on intelligent too.

Cored, did you own a car, tv, cable during these 7 years?

Regardless, I am not responsible for your well being, and you are not responsible for mine.  We control our own destiny.

In our current system, some suffer, some don\'t.  In a universal health care system, everyone suffers, albeit slightly less.

Health care spending stimulates the economy, currently accounting for 15% of the GDP.

The common man Cored... seriously?

An estimated 84.7% of citizens have some form of health insurance coverage, either through their employer, purchased individually, or through government sources.

does genetics play a role here?  What if poor family are likely to remain poor while rich family are likely to remain rich?  Like maybe poor family aren\'t as smart as rich family in general, so they are more likely to be poor.

Even the way poor and not so smart family might raise their kids improperly, and the kids would grow up to be poor, and work on low income jobs.  Then when they have kids their own, the pattern continues and less likely to have a kid that would be successful and become rich than the middle class or the upper class kids.  Part of it has to do with the way the kids were raised, and genetics might play a role on intelligent too.

I disagree.  My grandparents were poor, my parents were slightly better off, and I am heading in the direction to be slightly better off than my parents.  It\'s a natural progression that is achieved through hard work and dedication.

[Jumpman]

In our current system, some suffer, some don\'t.  In a universal health care system, everyone suffers, albeit slightly less.

no

[Paul2]

I disagree.  My grandparents were poor, my parents were slightly better off, and I am heading in the direction to be slightly better off than my parents.  It\'s a natural progression that is achieved through hard work and dedication.

I see.  But what are the percentage of poor family raising kids that will become successful and rich in life than compare to rich family?  I think kids raised in poor families are less likely to become successful than middle class and rich families.

Even if the kids become successful, since they were raised from poor family.  They have bigger and more challenging obstacles to overcome to get to where they are than middle income and rich kids.  Not saying that rich kids don\'t have obstacles and challenges too.  They do but they face less challenges than poor kids, and the challenges that rich kids face as they grow up are not as hard as the poor kids have to go through.

I disagree.  My grandparents were poor, my parents were slightly better off, and I am heading in the direction to be slightly better off than my parents.  It\'s a natural progression that is achieved through hard work and dedication.

Not saying that you don\'t, but those 2 examples, are not the only determining qualifiers.

The common man Cored... seriously?

Yes seriously.  Like I said; millions of hard working individuals.

15.4% = 45.7 M in 2007

I guess because it\'s "only" 45 million, that\'s not such a big deal, eh?

How easy it would be for us to provide health coverage for every US citizen without any change in the quality of your coverage.  All we have to do is skip one Republican war.  That would pay for it several times over, and you wouldn\'t notice the difference.

Lets get organized, losers.

[GmanJoe]

You know, I think Buffalo\'s hospitals treats more Canadians than Americans. My aunt is a nurse in Toronto and she\'s sick and tired of the long list of Canadians wanting to see a doctor coz they have a headache or got a small cut.

I have a feeling Americans would be far more whiny than Canadians. Remember, we\'re fatter than you Canucks.

15.4% represents a minority of people.  Would it be great if everyone had coverage, yes, but when 85% of your citizens have coverage in a free market, that\'s pretty damn good.

I am also against the war.  I believe it is a wasteful war that wastes tax dollars.  We have military presence in over 130 countries... that\'s obscene.  It is not a republican war though.  Barack Obama did vote for the war and he has the same foreign policy as President Bush, so don\'t kid yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

[Living-In-Clip]

85 percent is not good enough. 100 percent is the only true win.

This country is not just about the "American dream". It\'s not just about you being successful, it\'s about helping out your fellow brother. If I need to pay some extra, so people who are less fortune than me can have health care, then so be it. It\'s about helping out. I have no problem being in line at the clinic with some one who has fell on hard times and doesn\'t have a job or is trying to better them self, but can\'t afford health coverage at the moment.