Final Presidential Debate...

[Jumpman]

"Zero!"
"Zero!?"
"Zero."

pwned so hard

[clips]

Thoughts? I felt McCain came outta the gate strong and attacked Obama\'s plans,..i also liked when he stated,..."i\'m not bush,...if you wanted to go against him you should\'ve campainged back in 04"......i gotta give it up to McCain for that...so i think the first 15 minutes McCain looked good and strong...but after that it was all Obama....

McCain fell short on the ayers subject,..he constantly kept going back to that subject even after Obama explained the relationship saying.."well we still need to know more about the relationship" even after saying that the only thing his campaign would be about was the issues...and later on McCain was breathing hard, and looking flustered every time Obama countered his accusiations(spel) against him...again Obama cleared up any questions that people might have had about him & ayers and he even went on to clear up the issue of Acorn...McCain was figety, and was sniffing as if he\'d just done a line of coke.

Obama buried McCain on healthcare and education and kept his composure throughout the entire debate. McCain started off strong but fell short after the first 15 minutes and looked agitated shortly afterward.....and i love how Obama didn\'t leave any questions hanging out there...McCain was absolutely flustered when Obama answered that Joe the plumber would not receive a fine under his plan,...after McCain kept saying.."how much is the fine going to be?".......he couldn\'t say anything after he stated that the fine would be "0"....overall i give the edge yet again to Obama.

Polls show Obama winning by a pretty huge differential.

I thought it was closer than that, though I do think Obama won.

[Viper_Fujax]

McCain bugged me all night. like you were saying, mccain talked about how obama was negative campaigning and bitched that obama didnt refute that american hero (cant remember his name) that said something insulting to mccain..but when Ayers was brought up, obama even explained the extent of their relationship (which was nil), and mccain STILL said "the american people need to know the extent of the relationship". dude just wanted to make it seem like there was more to the relationship than there really was to scare people (aka, undecided voters)..cheap tactics like that are the reason i wont vote for him

[Jumpman]

Whoever is splitting my posts and making them into threads is doing a good job.

Assuming its not Giga.

And yeah McCain was decent. Look uncomfortable and overly aggressive while Obama\'s calm and collected stature maintained most of the points MC brought up.

I honestly felt that the previous debates were much more evenly matched, and McCain even seemed rational and thoughtful at times.

I didn\'t see any of that tonight.  In this debate, I smelled the stink of fear and desperation on McCain.  He knew he needed some kind of knockout punch, but he was so desperately reaching for it that he frequently stumbled over his own words and made himself look feeble in the process.  McCain displayed a level of bitterness and hostility that surprised me.  In the middle of his outbursts he frequently pasted in phrases and talking points that were entirely out place with the topic.

Once again during this debate, McCain tried to cut off Obama\'s approach by interjecting a "clever comment" only to have it fly back in his face when Obama circled back and flattened the objection.  I can\'t believe McCain has gotten as far in politics as he has with this inadequate oratorial style of his.

I missed the final debate last night any particular moments I should youtube from either candidate? or was it pretty much the same as the last two?

[GmanJoe]

He\'s not the orator that Obama is. Both could say the same exact thing and Obama sounds better. But I\'m not here for entertainment. I don\'t want to be taxed more than I am now. I don\'t care about the fat lazy people who want gov\'t handouts. I have plenty of poor relatives I send money to who work their asses off to put a meal on the table who deserve my extra cash. Not some welfare whore with 9 kids.

Polls show Obama winning by a pretty huge differential.

I thought it was closer than that, though I do think Obama won.

I\'ve been noticing a trend with that.  I wish that they had a breakdown between what percentage are democrats, and what percentage are republicans, and which are independents.  I\'ve noticed on a lot of the tracking polls, democrats usually make up at least 55% of the voters in the poll. Not a huge margin, but enough to make things look better than they really are.

[GmanJoe]

About Joe the Plumber.

McCain then looked directly into the TV camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I\'ll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I\'ll keep your taxes low and I\'ll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small business income."

Obama denied that was true.

"Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks, because they are the drivers of the economy," Obama said. "They produce the most jobs."

So what did Wurzelbacher (pronounced whur-zell-BAHK-er) think about being at the center of the debate?

"It\'s pretty surreal, man, my name being mentioned in a presidential campaign," he said minutes after hearing McCain utter his name.

In Toledo on Sunday, Wurzelbacher told Obama that he was preparing the company, which earns more than $250,000 a year, and said: "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn\'t it?"

Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.

"And the reason why we\'re doing that is because 95 percent of small businesses make less than 250 (thousand). So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut," he said.

Wurzelbacher protested, saying he\'s been a hardworking plumber for 15 years and why should he be taxed more.

"It\'s not that I want to punish your success," Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they\'ve got a chance at success, too."

At a later point in the discussion, Obama said: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it\'s good for everybody. But listen, I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don\'t get your vote, I\'m still gonna be working hard on your behalf because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it."

Wurzelbacher\'s name came up again when the debate turned to a discussion of health care policies.

He said Obama\'s reaction on the tax question left him feeling uneasy.

"I didn\'t think much of it the first time I heard it," Wurzelbacher said, adding that he still thinks Obama\'s plan would keep him from buying the business.

About McCain: "He\'s got it right as far as I go."

Even so, Wurzelbacher declined to say which candidate would get his vote on Nov. 4.

"That\'s for me and a button to know," he said.

Uhhh uhhhh eeeee.... errrrrr.... Obama is the most annoying speaker with his teleprompter.  

McCain hit him hard on every issue.  Obama couldn\'t answer or flat out lied when giving a response.  Obama is unfit for POTUS.

Anyone who cites polls as to who won a debate really doesn\'t understand polls or debates.

I honestly felt that the previous debates were much more evenly matched, and McCain even seemed rational and thoughtful at times.

I didn\'t see any of that tonight.  In this debate, I smelled the stink of fear and desperation on McCain.  He knew he needed some kind of knockout punch, but he was so desperately reaching for it that he frequently stumbled over his own words and made himself look feeble in the process.  McCain displayed a level of bitterness and hostility that surprised me.  In the middle of his outbursts he frequently pasted in phrases and talking points that were entirely out place with the topic.

Once again during this debate, McCain tried to cut off Obama\'s approach by interjecting a "clever comment" only to have it fly back in his face when Obama circled back and flattened the objection.  I can\'t believe McCain has gotten as far in politics as he has with this inadequate oratorial style of his.

Debates rarely deliver "knockout" punches - you should know that.  Debates also don\'t sway voter opinion as much as you would think.  

I can\'t believe Obama has come so far with his lies and lack of experience in politics.

[GmanJoe]

Uhhh uhhhh eeeee.... errrrrr.... Obama is the most annoying speaker with his teleprompter.  

McCain hit him hard on every issue.  Obama couldn\'t answer or flat out lied when giving a response.  Obama is unfit for POTUS.

Anyone who cites polls as to who won a debate really doesn\'t understand polls or debates.

I think if the trend continues, McCain will actually win the elections....but lose in the polls. Yep. The Dems have typically won most debates vs the Reps yet have lost in the last two elections.

Oops meant to say without his teleprompter.  Obama also lied by saying he didn\'t launch his political career in Ayers living room when in fact he did.  I don\'t think he can tell the truth.  Anyway, a debate is a debate, not a game changer.  There are so many factors in this election I don\'t think polls are going to be close to accurate.

If McCain wins, hopefully we have seen the last of Hussein.

I can suffer through 4 years of Obama knowing that it will remind the American public that liberalism is a disease.

My favorite Joe quote... simply because it represents everything I stand for...

“You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it — and that scares me. A lot of people expect it now. They get upset when their check’s late, they get upset when they don’t get as many benefits as they used to, or when different government agencies are cut or spending is cut here and there for whatever reason — people get upset at that. And that’s because they’re used to getting it and they want more. I mean, everyone’s always gonna want more. People work the system left and right to get more out of welfare, to get more out of state assistance, federal assistance. And if government’s there for them, they’re gonna keep on trying to manipulate it to get more out of it. You got people that come along and say, “Hey, I wanna help you people,” I mean, they’re all ears! They’re like, ‘Hey, you can help me more, I don’t have to work as hard, I don’t have to do as much, and you’re gonna give me this? Man, that’s great, you’re a good guy.’”