Who here thinks that the Gamecube controller LOOKS whacked????

Back to the subject....
Do you think the GC controller will be able to compare to the PS2\'s???? I wonder if IGN would do an article comparing the two controllers.....

IF YOU LIKE THE PS2 CONTROLLER, YOU\'RE GONNA LIKE THE GAMECUBE\'S!!!! . If you look at it, it is almost like PS2\'s... They have things poking out of the sides that I think is comfortable. Also, do you think the people of cube.ign.com is gonna diss their beloved console.

THe fact of the matter is I would love to have my old SNES AND Genesis right now with all the old favorites. Especially ToeJam and Earl (T-T-T-Toe Jam B-B-B-Big Earl). That is a classic that deserves to be remade. (I heard it is being made for DC) but I digress.

As for the GCN controller, I always have a hard time with Nintendo controllers at first but I always grow to love them. Most of the time they are the best at what they do. As for the GCN controller being uncomfortable the same can be and was said about the Dual Shock.

Isn\'t it ironic that the great wise one, MM calls Nintendo systems kiddy and yet he comes back with childish insults.
If you believe that I was \'deprived\' as a child you really are a pathetic fool. By the way I did own a SNES; also I enjoyed it greatly unlike you. Oh yes and I had a MD as well.

Big words for me? Come on MM i\'m sure you could do better than that. No wait, scratch that..

its no use ramm.  i suspect trin will be along shortly.  ill just let it go at this.  hate to see something go to far

mm

AW MAN!  ... and I just got here too.  I\'ve got some definitely strong opinions on the whole SNES/Genesis matter too but I\'ll sum it up really quick for anyone with a miniscule attention span (ADD): mm\'s right.

MM is right Jumper, the Genesis DID win the 16bit console wars. According to Sega Visions magazine, the Genesis outsold the SNES (Nicknamed Genny and Sneeze) in nearly every major retail chain by a margin of 2:1, 3:1 in some areas. It wasn\'t until the last year and a half of the Genesis\'s life that the SNES was neck and neck in sales with it. Then, while Sega let their console die in preperation of a new generation, Nintnedo keep the SNES alive and in turn sold many more consoles in it\'s later years.

The Genesis also boasts the second largest software library for any game console in history, over 900 games released world wide. The number one largest library of games goes to Sony with around 1,200 titles released world wide.

If you\'re talking about the SNES beating the Genesis in Gameplay.. well you really can\'t argue that point since it\'s only an opinion and not a fact. The Neo-Geo could have dominated the 16-bit generation in some people\'s minds.

According to the demographics, the SNES was also the kiddy system of the 16 bit generation as well. Only about 23% of the SNES\'s total userbase was over 18 according to InterAction magazine. The Genesis had roughly 45% of it\'s userbase being over 18. Userbases for certain Add-on\'s like the SegaCD was upwards around 75% for the 18+ crowd. While the SNES filled their system up with "Donkey Kong 3", "Mario", and "Zelda" type games, the Genesis/Sega CD was producing games like Tomcat Alley, Ground Zero Texas, and Sewer Shark. Sierra (Who owned InterAction Magazine) was origianlly going to port over 10 of their titles to the Add-on, including Leisure Suit Larry 5 (Which is only meant for the 18+ crowd). However that plan was scrapped by sagging SegaCD sales and the fact that Night Trap was pretty much fored off the market by the US Congress. Willy Beamish (Dynamix/Sierra), Nova 9, and Rise of the Dragon were among the few titles that did make it.

It is also fact that Nintnedo hevily censored games on their console while Sega keep their censorship loose (For the time). Remember the white blood in mortal kombat? How many side scrolling beat-em ups were there that had a good percentage of women and minority enemies?

Finally, yes the SNES did beat the Genesis pretty badly in hardware.. but it had very few features that the Genesis COULDN\'T reproduce. It just couldn\'t use those features as extensively as the SNES could. Zyrinx Software/Scavenger proved that the Genesis could do: Rotating Background Graphics, Rotating Background Textures, 3D Sprite Objects, 3D Vector Graphics, Real-Time Zoom, and Cartridge Video Compression with their game demo "Hardwired". Weither it was actually released or not, I don\'t know.. but it was for the Genesis\'s standard hardware, no DSP chip or CDDrive needed. Considering the hardware it was running on, it\'s opening sequence is absolutely GOREGEOUS. The Demo wasn\'t half bad either. Unfortunately, the process for doing these techniques wasn\'t discovered until pretty late in the Genesis\'s life (1994) and were difficult to impliment. That\'s why there weren\'t really any games that used them. The SNES on the other had was designed with these effects in mind, so implimenting them was far easier and cheaper.

If you can find the game or demo from an emulation site.. DOWNLOAD it and check it out. It\'s well worth the time spent to see what a little clever programming could allow the Genesis to do.

MM is right Jumper, the Genesis DID win the 16bit console wars. According to Sega Visions magazine, the Genesis outsold the SNES (Nicknamed Genny and Sneeze) in nearly every major retail chain by a margin of 2:1, 3:1 in some areas.

Your quoting a Sega Magazine, you weren\'t expecting accurate results were you ?

Personally I don\'t know who won in the end in the US market, Sega certainly jumped out of the gates quick no question and it took about a year for Nintendo to begin to turn the tables with games like Street Fighter 2 and Mario Kart. SNES come home like a freight train in the 16 bit wars, did it eventually win the US market, who\'s to say, it may of in the end, though much to close to call. Did SNES win the Japanese market, easily and did they lose the European market, again easily. The bottom line is Sega and Nintendo did tie 50/50 market share in the US and to this day it is unclear who won.

According to the demographics, the SNES was also the kiddy system of the 16 bit generation as well. Only about 23% of the SNES\'s total userbase was over 18 according to InterAction magazine. The Genesis had roughly 45% of it\'s userbase being over 18. Userbases for certain Add-on\'s like the SegaCD was upwards around 75% for the 18+ crowd. While the SNES filled their system up with "Donkey Kong 3", "Mario", and "Zelda" type games, the Genesis/Sega CD was producing games like Tomcat Alley, Ground Zero Texas, and Sewer Shark.

So what does that make Nintendo 64 and it\'s 50%+ over 18 US owners. Why do people consider a 16 Bit console \'kiddie\', crist it couldnt produce realistic graphics if it wanted too. SNES had all the major 3rd Party mature games on Genesis like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat and Desert Strike, also who can forget Alex the Kid, Ecco and Sonic, if they aren\'t kiddie games I don\'t know are.

It is also fact that Nintnedo hevily censored games on their console while Sega keep their censorship loose (For the time). Remember the white blood in mortal kombat? How many side scrolling beat-em ups were there that had a good percentage of women and minority enemies?

As far as significantly censoring games for SNES are concerned it happened once which was Mortal Kombat, that game was released at a time of anti-videogame violence capagins by the US Senate which Nintendo did not want to be the brunt of, there was also no form of video game ratings at that time either.

[Edited by Trintius on 12-25-2000 at 09:30 AM]

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SNES was a kiddie system. Its obvious. How else can you explain Mortal Kombat having sweat instead of blood? Its pointless.

And even EGM and other magazines have mentioned the Genesis outselling the SNES. Go to http://www.classicgaming.com , and they have articles on it also, I believe.
 
 

H3ll, maybe Snes was a kiddie console!

But it WAS my dream-console. Quess why? I was a kid when I owned one! But it had magic. Maybe the magic was effective only towards children. Maybe it was like "only-kids-see-fairies" kind of thing, you know?

But I can\'t really say that snes was kiddie console because I haven\'t played it from my teen-point-of-view, if you catch my point here.

But let me ask, why can\'t you be young-minded? What frustrates you so much in Snes? Were the games too easy?

I never liked Sonic etc. but maybe that was because I was a KID. But some grown ups played Snes; h3ck, my dad played Super Mario Kart hundreds of times with me! He also played mario\'s etc. and he never complained about their kiddiness. It\'s obvious and clear that they were designed to LOOk childish, but many cakes look worse than they taste.

I\'ve enjoyed some old Snes-games trough Snes -emu and I like them still. But maybe that\'s because I owned them once, and I catched the magic of them when I was a KID.

But what I said above is kind of stupid. Look at Rayman Revolution for PS2. It looks childish. But it isn\'t for young children. No, not at all.

Too hard. Too large.

Maybe I\'m trying to back up snes here a little, but I\'m not any fanboy ( anymore, that is )

I\'m just comparing things from MY POINT OF VIEW.

Originally posted by Joyda
H3ll, maybe Snes was a kiddie console!

But it WAS my dream-console. Quess why? I was a kid when I owned one! But it had magic. Maybe the magic was effective only towards children. Maybe it was like "only-kids-see-fairies" kind of thing, you know?

But I can\'t really say that snes was kiddie console because I haven\'t played it from my teen-point-of-view, if you catch my point here.

But let me ask, why can\'t you be young-minded? What frustrates you so much in Snes? Were the games too easy?

I never liked Sonic etc. but maybe that was because I was a KID. But some grown ups played Snes; h3ck, my dad played Super Mario Kart hundreds of times with me! He also played mario\'s etc. and he never complained about their kiddiness. It\'s obvious and clear that they were designed to LOOk childish, but many cakes look worse than they taste.

I\'ve enjoyed some old Snes-games trough Snes -emu and I like them still. But maybe that\'s because I owned them once, and I catched the magic of them when I was a KID.

But what I said above is kind of stupid. Look at Rayman Revolution for PS2. It looks childish. But it isn\'t for young children. No, not at all.

Too hard. Too large.

Maybe I\'m trying to back up snes here a little, but I\'m not any fanboy ( anymore, that is )

I\'m just comparing things from MY POINT OF VIEW.

I have to agree with Joyda there

"Your quoting a Sega Magazine, you weren\'t expecting accurate results were you ?" - Trinitus

Fine, if you want to ignore the statistic because it came from a Sega Magazine, then I don\'t EVER want to hear you spout ONE line from a Nintendo magazine or Nintnedo affiliated site since it is all probably inaccurate propoganda.

Now never did I say that it wasn\'t a close race. Nintnedo did win hands down in Japan.. an RPG powerhouse is sure to win there. The Sega won in Europe, even you don\'t disagree. The US market was an extreemly close race.. again no argument. However, over the course of the Sega Genesis\'s life it continually outsold the SNES on a year to year basis until it\'s last year when the margin between them narrowed considerably. SNES very well could have sold more consoles in the US, and if it did.. it did so after the Genesis had been discontinued.

"So what does that make Nintendo 64 and it\'s 50%+ over 18 US owners."

Well first of all, I\'ve never heard that number. Now I\'m not saying it\'s not true.. I\'d just like you to provide a source of info be it a magazine, website, or television show. I think the N64\'s kiddy image comes from it\'s barage of cutesy/colorful barrage of mascots which adorn nearly EVERY SINGLE Nintnedo product several times over. It\'s very probable that the N64 has 50% 18+ userbase.. good games will do that. I\'ll play a colorful - cartoony game for a while if the gameplay is good. However it\'s nice to have a console with the image, the games, and the content which appeals to older audiences.

Yes, the Genesis (Like the PSX) has it\'s share of child oriented games. However the Genesis also had a great deal more content geared towards older audiences than the SNES did. Games like Road Rash, Shinobi, Crue Ball, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Mortal Kombat (Blood version) and the sheer number of sports titles attracted more casual adult gamers than SNES could with Mario or Zelda. Now not to say that the SNES didn\'t have any games that appealed to more mature audiences.. the Genesis just had far more of them.

Oh, and yes Trin.. Nintnedo did have marginally stricter censorship than Sega. It\'s part of the reason why there were so many Sega Genesis developers right from the get go, and it\'s also a part of the reason why the PSX had as much developer support as it did right off the starting line. The Xbox is also gaining a strong list of developers, many of which program for the PC (Just like the Genesis/CDrom and PSX), partly because of their willingness to keep censorship at an acceptable minimum.

It should also be noted that while Nintnedo consitantly complies quite willingly with the US Congresses anti-violent games sentament, Sega has been the champion of trying to lower censorship in games. Every time this issue comes up, Sega is right there to defend the rights of the gamer, and it was with Sega\'s persistant drive that first videogame ratings system was adopted. (According to SegaVisions and their guest editorial by Ken Willams, president and CEO of Sierra.) If you would like, I will provide issue and page numbers so that any Sega fans with their own collections of the mags can further verify this information.

"But let me ask, why can\'t you be young-minded?" - Joyda

I can, but I want a console that satisfys ALL my needs and tastes as a gamer. The SNES and N64 just haven\'t provided enough interesting content in all genres and age ranges to warrant my full support. Sega and Sony were two console companies that have come the closest to providing me with that ideal.. that\'s why I support them. I may even pick up the Xbox eventually if they wow me by fully and exceedingly fulfiling my gaming tastes & needs despite my negetive views about Microsoft. Basically, if the can wow me in the same way Sony wowed me by allowing Resident Evil to be made for their console. Shooting people in a game is one thing.. but watching little chunks of brain and flesh mingle with fire and high velocity steel pellets in all it\'s 3D glory is a whole nother beast.

Durring the 16 bit generation, I was also an avid PC gamer.. my favorite genre\'s being gory shooters like doom and adventures like Monkey Island. RE:1 was a perfect mix of both game types.

Yes, I bought PS2 for one reason:
It suits my tastes for games BEST.

We don\'t excactly know what kind of games X-box will get; maybe X-box will suit my tastes even better; but PS2 is here now and it succeeds in its job almost 100 prosently, so why to complain?

But Nintendo offers me other kind of satisfaction, it fulfills some things PS2 can\'t. So does Dreamcast and even X-box; that\'s why I\'m quite open-minded and not biased towards any console. That\'s why I\'d want to buy all consoles but I know I can\'t buy any other this gen consoles than PS2; and I bought it so I made my choice long time ago

I agree with you, Sonyfan. Listen to your favors.

hey I was reading through the first page and I wanna say SNES isn\'t lost I still got mine.  I play Chrono Trigger all the time it\'s so fun especially with that new game+.  hehe I gotta a playstation 2 for christmas from Shopko haha I guess it helps that your mom is a supervisor and works there almost 24/7 and a sister that in stocks everything eheh.  anyway Yeah that controller looks pretty freaky.  

in case, noone saw it yet, THIS is the gamecube controller