REAL XBox game pics - Malice

I\'d like to add, these games were not only running on 1/5 powered systems, but it\'s unlikely that the developers pushed this less powerful version of XB to the limit. Meaning? Meaning the games use LESS than 1/5 the systems power.

And Trintius, were\'s the low res blurryness in these shots?:




These easily are better than the early PS2 screens.

The now defunct Oddworld on the PS2 didn\'t like any better or worse than the Xbox ones


Oddworld Xbox



Oddworld PS2



Oddworld Xbox



Oddworld PS2



Oddworld Xbox



Oddworld PS2



Oddworld Xbox



Oddworld PS2

Originally posted by Animal Mother
The emotion engine does have many unknown capabilities. I am beginning to think that Gamecube has better graphics than Xbox. Those Munch Xbox screens look just like the Ps2 screens. Cept the Ps2 screens have better lighting

Well animal, you said it for yourself.  If NV-15 (GeForce2) games look just like PS2 games, imagine what a NV2@ (two generations ahead) game will look like.  OddWorld isn\'t even 50% done with the game so it should look much better at E3 and even better at launch.  If Malice looks as good as PS2 games then it should be proof that Xbox graphics will totally rule.  

Originally posted by TheOneBillyGunn
PS2 has just as good graphics, plus better developers.

Like who?

Konami, Namco, Capcom, THQ, Activision etc.  They are all developing for XBox.

Originally posted by ddaryl
Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them


Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits

C\'mon I don\'t buy that

Well, I don\'t think there\'s no argument here.  Everyone knows for a fact that NV2@\'s aren\'t in production yet.  It\'s very rare that a console manufacturer ships final kits to developers at first.  Sega didn\'t do it and Sony sure didn\'t.  I don\'t know if I should call this "denial" since it seems like you can\'t grasp the idea that phase 1 dev kits can produce PS2 quality graphics. It\'s already been proven, so I think it\'s fruitless to argue against that.  This is old news and one that should never be disputed.

More like Polyphony Digital, SCEI, Naughty Dog and SCEE would be a better choice then 989. Okay, Naughty Dog is a second party developer. But since they are a second party developer, don\'t expect to see any of their games on other systems.

Back to the topic, I\'ve seen Malice run on TV! NBC news ran a segment on the Xbox. My take, impressive! However, not mind blowingly better then what the PS2 has. The PS2 will, and has kept pace to this point of the Xbox. This doesn\'t mean that the Xbox will not eventually pass the PS2 in graphics (it will if MS is telling everything), but in the near future, PS2 will have no problems getting people to buy its system based solely on graphics. Same with the NGC if, they give us anything more about their system.

You can truly see the difference in PS2 and X-box shots of Munch\'s Oddysee; heck, the PS2 ones are better... BUt x-box wasn\'t showing its true power; it was a fastly made demo of Munch\'s oddysee I think where those pics were taken from..

but still I gotta back up PS2 saying that you haven\'t seen nothing yet.

Originally posted by Joyda
You can truly see the difference in PS2 and X-box shots of Munch\'s Oddysee; heck, the PS2 ones are better...

But the PS2 ones are pre-rendered! We never got to see actual screen shots of Munch\'s Oddysee running on PS2 hardware. What we got were pre-rendered images and movies of what they hoped the final game would look like!

Afterwards, all we seemed to here from the developers were complaints about the PS2, although they later said that those who saw the game running thought it was the best looking game on the PS2.

No new shots or movies were ever released, but one website which saw the game at this stage said it was looking just as good as those early renders (minus FSAA and XBox-like polygon-on-polygon shadows I expect).

http://ps2.ign.com/previews/14007.html
"The levels truly do look like the early renders and set screenshots we have been receiving overt the months. They\'re simply gorgeous".

With the XBox version looking as good as it does on phase 1 hardware, it appears that the final game may match (or even exceed) those early pre-rendered movies!!!

So the point I\'m making? Only that without actual PS2 screens and movies, and given the fact that the PS2 version would have improved further if developement hadn\'t stopped, we cannot really compare the two versions.

BUt x-box wasn\'t showing its true power; it was a fastly made demo of Munch\'s oddysee I think where those pics were taken from..
but still I gotta back up PS2 saying that you haven\'t seen nothing yet.
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Agreed, this year should reveal what PS2 developers have learnt about the hardware so far, and therefore we should see big improvements in PS2 games.

PS2 version of Abe looks alot better then the xbox version..
I wonder why?

/FASTson

Originally posted by Samwise
Dr. Yassam, I\'ve noticed that you\'re a big Xbox fan/follower.

Well, to be more accurate, I\'m a games technology follower, especially graphics. So whether it\'s graphics on the PC, DC, PS2, XBox, GC etc, it\'s all very interesting to me and therefore I try very hard to understand the facts.

Yes, I\'m an XBox fan, but I\'m a follower who became a fan, not vice-versa.

I have nothing against the PS2, it as a great console and it\'s the best currently available, but as you probably know, I\'m not exactly it\'s greatest fan (for numerous reasons).

I\'m not trying to change the subject of this nice Xbox thread in the main forum of a PS2 forum, but what do you think of GameCube? How will it compare to Xbox in your opinion?[/B]

I believe the GameCube will be a superb console.

Graphically, it\'s power lies between the PS2 and the XBox (but closer to the XBox). According to Nintendo, everything is hard coded into the hardware, meaning it doesn\'t have the programmability of the XBox (or the PS2), and therefore will fall even further behind as developers exploit the power of the XBox\'s pixel/vertex shaders.

Nintendo do claim that they have a major \'secret\' which they will not reveal yet because the idea/feature may be stolen. So who knows what surprises lie ahead on the GC.

In terms of the console wars, I believe the battle will be between the XBox and PS2 for first and second place, with the GC a \'healthy\' third.

Originally posted by ddaryl
Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them


Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits

C\'mon I don\'t buy that

ah, I see you don\'t know much about the xdk program.

The price of each prototype xdk includes all future incarnations of the xdk. So when developers buy the current, underpowered xdk they are also buying the full speed version with an nv2a, as well as any future versions microsoft releases.

Dr Yassam the link you posted taks about gameplay scenes as well.There are also real time scenes of thje game.Check the real time videos from the download section.There are rendered and real time scenes of the game.All looking great.And showing the PS2 power.

Originally posted by Unicron!
All looking great.And showing the PS2 power.

Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot about those later pics (even though they were in the link I posted - Doh!).

You are right, they do appear to be from the PS2 version, and despite being of a lower quality to the previous pre-rendered pics, they do look great just the same.

However, it is these which should be compared to the current XBox version (as Vertical694 has correctly shown above), and indeed the XBox version does look better than the PS2 version.

Naturally the PS2 version would have improved further, but it shows that those who accused Oddworld of abandoning the PS2 because they didn\'t have the talent or because they had no 3D experience are wrong.