GAMECUBE WILL LAUNCH AT $150. OFFICIAL PROOF INSIDE

Originally posted by SLIMSHADY739
im not beliveing this until i  see what happens at e3

Run along young member before you catch the Great Forum Foot and Mouth disease.

but yeah your right, if Nintedo are going to say something it will be at the E3 show.

i only hope that this epidemic blows over before then or ill have to Dust everyone to stop the risk of infection to the rest of the world .

The reason the GC is so cheap to make is because it\'s hardware is mass produced.  I think the Gekko is produced by IBM, I\'m not sure.  They didn\'t have to build new factories for it, they outsourced...in business? Then you\'re familiar with the term.  They did this for most of the parts on the GC.  Making it cheaper to produce than the PS2.  

Why couldn\'t they launch it at that price?  Why can they sell PSX and N64 at 100$ and still be around, or making money?  They make it up in software from having a large installed base.  And the hardware is mass produced and cheap.  Why would it be so hard to make, or have, these parts so early in a system\'s life?

While I\'m not saying that the GC WILL launch at 150$, I honestly think it will be 200$, nothing more.  But 150 sure is attractive, and would appeal to ALOT of people. Thus getting a big installed base quickly and a return in profit fast.

By the way, is Sony making profit yet?  (I\'m just curious, don\'t take it offensively)

Originally posted by Ginko
Ddaryl,

I haven\'t seen you be this defensive and craptacular in a loooooong time.  You disappoint me.  I had a great deal of respect for you when you became a moderator, I saw a huge turn around in your attitude and it was all good.

Who\'s defensive ???  I\'m just having a debate. Nintendo is overrated and they are not that fantastic. As for dissapointint you and respect, please, I beg you don\'t bother. I don\'t give a rats ass about your respect for me. As for my atitiu=de. There was no turn around, I just got sick of debating with people who don\'t have a clue... I\'ve been real bored lately, so I figured I play around with Jumplad some. He overrates Nintenod and allows thinks his opinion in fact so I figured I have my fun

You go a make rash and unreasonable statements such as, "GC will never be the top console", "Nintendo only makes kiddy games and will only appeal to that market".  Absolutely nothing to back up those statements.  The GC is a brand new system, brand new games, and a lot of diverse developers. Nintendo is going for a brand new look, and they won\'t have a problem doing so.

I never once said Nintendo only makes Kiddy games, but they will target that market more than anyone else, and that is Nintendo\'s bread and butter. I said Nintendo is a Niche market , and that they are. Almost a cult it seems cause Nintendo fans get so upset when you tell them they ain\'t so great

Nintendo is not going for a brand new look. Read the interviews. They\'ve said over and over again the GC will be for  Nintendo exclusives, for games not on any ohter console. There have been a few complaints by some 3rd parties already on how Nintendo treats them. 3rd parties are 2nd fiddle to Nintendo, sure a few choice ones will make some games, but overall the large majority of them will continue to make considerabley more games for the PS2. So far the facts are very much on my side on this one so don\'t bother with wait and lets see. E3 won\'t reveal much more on that, and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties. Thats what makes Sony the King, and will keep the PS2 on top. A  very large diversified library of good and great games. There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC

Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and  I hope this turns out to be true as well.



I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.

And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more.  Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced?  Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)

Who talking about GBA, we\'re talking GC. Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.

Do you really think

Konami
Capcom
Namco
Sega
Retro
Left Field Studios
Rare
NCL
Silicon Knights
EA
Universal
Brownie Brown

will all just make kiddy games?  Do you?  That\'s just stupid foolish of you.  I haven\'t seen a kiddy game in any form from EA.  Konami, Namco, and Capcom don\'t make many of them either.

No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have  way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.

Have you read or heard about GC projects?  Left Field is covering sports games.

Capcom is making RE Zero.

Silicon Knights-Too Human(supposedly for mature audiences)

EA-you know what they do

Namco-kiddie? not at all.

Have you heard about the game Flesh and Wire?  Doesn\'t sound kiddie too me.  

I could go on and on.

So who cares I never said Nintendo was all kiddie, but they will still have alot more kiddie content . And for every one Adult oriented game you list for the GC, I could list probably 5 for the PS2. Not all of those GC games are gonna be great, not all the PS2 games are gonna be great, but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see

Stop being trolls and wait until alot more info is out before predicting the future.

Who the hell is being a Troll Ginko, you do realize this is a debate section.... Under no circumastances am I going to agree with anyone because you want me too. If I was a Troll I\'d be on a GC board talking  smack but I\'m not am I.


The Bottom line is Nintendo is a great company and will make Nintendo fans very happy. They just won\'t win the console war, nor do they wantr too, Nintendo is content with its Niche market, and reading the articles and all thats what they want to do. They sure as hell haven\'t come close to doing what is necessary if they really wanted to sell 100 million consoles

I still don\'t see were you are getting your facts.  THE FACT is, is that we don\'t know much about Gamecube.  We don\'t know what kind of support it\'s getting from the developement community.  There maybe some people complaining GC and Nintendo\'s ways.  If I\'m not mistaken, and I\'m not, the PS2 hasn\'t had all praise and glory either. But that\'s not stopping it from being good and appealing.  I just don\'t see why you think that the 3rd parties won\'t try to make great and exclusive content for Nintendo. You haven\'t given a good reason yet, just your reason.

You also said something along the lines that Nintendo doesn\'t have a diverse range of games or alot of great games.  You compared it\'s library to PS2\'s.  The PS2 has almost been out for a year.  And I can say that it really doesn\'t have a killer app or that great of a library, but I know it\'s in the works;).  And it\'s second year will be astounding. Why couldn\'t Nintendo do the same? (Have a diverse and great line up coming that will intice all gamers)

Why do you write off GC\'s future so quickly as to how it will do?

And I\'m not arguing with you, I\'m just trying to see your reasoning behind your facts, as you call them.  

I\'ve been real bored lately, so I figured I play around with Jumplad some. He overrates Nintenod and allows thinks his opinion in fact so I figured I have my fun

Oh please that was the most pathetic thing I ever heard. Saying **** like that won\'t win any arguements. I over-rate Nintendo? Not nearly as much as you over-rate Sony and the hard to develop for PS2. Do you want me to quote your last post and prove my point? I didn\'t think so. I\'ve find it amusing that a mod is acting like a classic troll. A MOD!

 

Originally posted by ddaryl

Originally posted by Ginko
Ddaryl,

Who\'s defensive ???  I\'m just having a debate. Nintendo is overrated and they are not that fantastic.

In your eyes they are not, but you don\'t speak for everyone.

I just got sick of debating with people who don\'t have a clue...

Why don\'t they have a clue, because they don\'t agree with you?

I never once said Nintendo only makes Kiddy games, but they will target that market more than anyone else, and that is Nintendo\'s bread and butter.

agreed

Almost a cult it seems cause Nintendo fans get so upset when you tell them they ain\'t so great

Why aren\'t they great?  Are Sony fans better?  Why?

and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties.

that\'s a very bold statement considering that 2 other systems aren\'t even out and about yet.  But it\'s no use arguing with you...

 

There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC

Really?  Once again, it\'s your opinion.  Did you own a PSX?  Did you think it had better games than everyone else because it had more developers.  Sure it had a higher chance, but it didn\'t guarentee great games.  I honestly hated my PSX, I only found 5 games to buy and I quickly got bored with them. I no longer have a PSX.  But my N64 has a wealth of great games on it, and I wouldn\'t trade my N64 for anything.  IMHO!!

Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and  I hope this turns out to be true as well.

Shows you have a bias towards Nintendo...

I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.

And with that price, I don\'t think Sony has a choice either.

And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more.  Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced?  Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)

Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.

Funny, no reason to back this up.

No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have  way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.

but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see

Why is it guarenteed?  Why couldn\'t all those games be duds.  Why do a certain number of games HAVE TO BE great.

The Bottom line is Nintendo is a great company and will make Nintendo fans very happy.

Agreed.  And hopefully by expanding their ideas to a mature audience, they will pick up some more gamers.

Originally posted by Ginko




Why don\'t they have a clue, because they don\'t agree with you?

No they just don\'t have a clue....

Why aren\'t they great?  Are Sony fans better?  Why?

Nope there are asswipe PS2 fans and Xbox fans and DC fans as well.

and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties.

that\'s a very bold statement considering that 2 other systems aren\'t even out and about yet.  But it\'s no use arguing with you...{/quote]

Its not bold, Sony has everything moving forward. The userbase is already large considering its less than a year out and will have so much to offer, a huge library of great games, price breaks , brand recognition, DVD player out of box, and so forth that obviously point to this. If you can prove me wrong go ahead, but you can\'t....

 

There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC

Really?  Once again, it\'s your opinion.  Did you own a PSX?  Did you think it had better games than everyone else because it had more developers.  Sure it had a higher chance, but it didn\'t guarentee great games.  I honestly hated my PSX, I only found 5 games to buy and I quickly got bored with them. I no longer have a PSX.  But my N64 has a wealth of great games on it, and I wouldn\'t trade my N64 for anything.  IMHO!!

Thats you but the fact PSX sold well over 2x\'s as much as the N64 already points to this. The fact that the majority of PSX fans we\'re extremly happy with the games they got to choose from overall. It maybe your opinion on whats  better, and I\'m sure Nintendo fans will always say Nintendo is better regardless, but the mass majority DOES NOT THINK  NINTENDO IS "THAT" GREAT.

Bold statement or not, its very obvious that the PS2 will have so much more than what the PSX offered even in its 1st years of existence. You might not agree, but the mass majority will be satisfied, prove me wrong if you like

Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and  I hope this turns out to be true as well.

Shows you have a bias towards Nintendo...

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No it shows that I think/hope Xbox will offer better games.

I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.

And with that price, I don\'t think Sony has a choice either.

I actually think SOny could drop the PS2 price down to $250 and still outsell GC at $150  during Xmas by a solid margin. The majority of PSX fans don\'t want a GC they want a PS2

And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more.  Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced?  Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)

Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.

Funny, no reason to back this up.

Can you prove me wrong, reports from a few different  companies point to what I\'m saying, at least I have something to base my observation on. Not to mention the PS2 has shattered all records for console sales in a given year, and still sell on a very steady pace, we haven\'t even hit a price break yet...

No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have  way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.

but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see

Why is it guarenteed?  Why couldn\'t all those games be duds.  Why do a certain number of games HAVE TO BE great.

But there will be a huge library of good and great games, c\'mon Ginko  at least be realistic. There is so much cool stuff coming and the PS2 is still under a year old. Sure there will be Duds.

If you can prove to me they all be duds, then do it, but all just laugh hysterically. I know you don\'t really believe that

I really hope that PS2 is great and has tons of good games to offer.  I hope the same for GC.

Why can\'t there be equally good and impressive games coming out for GC?  Why don\'t you think it\'s even a possibility?  It\'s like you don\'t even consider that it will happen.  I don\'t understand that.

I can\'t prove you wrong that the PS2 won\'t be the top console, or the GC will outsell. Same for you.  There aren\'t any facts. 80% percent of this arguement is speculation.

Hey, DC broke records when it came out too.  Who\'s too say GC and X-box can\'t break those records.  

I really don\'t know where else to take this.  We both have very different views on the subject and this isn\'t going any where. I could sit here and spew my opinion all night, but it wouldn\'t solve anything.  Let\'s just agree to disagree and leave it alone.

Kudos...
 

And I also wasn\'t saying that they will all be duds, but you can\'t expect and speculate that every 1 out of 5 will be good.  Or just because this company is great, the game will be too.

Good games come when they come, and it\'s all in the eyes of the consumer.  No one person can judge for a majority.  WE all have different taste and views, otherwise we wouldn\'t be here discussing it.

I know I said I would stop but one more thing...


You said Sony has everything moving forward.  Brand recognition, DVD, great library, installed base, 3rd party developement.

I can tell you, and you know that GC will have a great library.  Installed base, it will be significant.  There are alot of Nintendo diehards.  Brand recognition, Nintendo\'s go that too. And what some consider to be the best developement house in the world.

DVD is the only thing missing, and it\'s not that important for a gamer.


still not going any where, but I had to say it...sorry.

Consoles breaks sales records every generation because gaming becomes exponentially more popular each generation. Like Ginko said the DC broke the Same sales records a year before and this is from a console that was coming from a company on the rebound.

IMHO, There will be one of two scenarios in this upcoming console war.

1. The most likely is that there will be two companies vying for the top spot with one company in an obvious third. Who the top two companies are can not be determined through speculation because there are too many factors involved.

2. There will be one clear cut winner who wins by a large margin. This also can not be determined through speculation. So anyone who says that a company will definately do something or definately not do something is talking out of their ass through a pair of streaky fanboy panties.

Originally posted by Ginko
The reason the GC is so cheap to make is because it\'s hardware is mass produced.  I think the Gekko is produced by IBM, I\'m not sure.  They didn\'t have to build new factories for it, they outsourced...in business? Then you\'re familiar with the term.  They did this for most of the parts on the GC.  Making it cheaper to produce than the PS2.  

Why couldn\'t they launch it at that price?  Why can they sell PSX and N64 at 100$ and still be around, or making money?  They make it up in software from having a large installed base.  And the hardware is mass produced and cheap.  Why would it be so hard to make, or have, these parts so early in a system\'s life?

While I\'m not saying that the GC WILL launch at 150$, I honestly think it will be 200$, nothing more.  But 150 sure is attractive, and would appeal to ALOT of people. Thus getting a big installed base quickly and a return in profit fast.

By the way, is Sony making profit yet?  (I\'m just curious, don\'t take it offensively)

 

so i take it that your saying that the other consoles won\'t be mass produced ?

Look at mt Economices class 101 again and see if they realy could make a profit on launch day iwth a STARTING price of $150.

ECONOMICS REVISION 101

SIMPLIFIED VERSION !
they make a GC at $100 say
they sell it to EB or game\'s stores for $130
They then sell it at $150

Total profit per unit for Nintendo $30
Total profit for stores $20

and thats not including shipping costs , Tax , Land Tax for the Nintendo empire, Wages for the workers, money for PR and Ad\'s, Money for Recerch and development, etc etc etc

i can here Nintendo saying " oh please please take my money away, i don\'t need it"


well if you want to beleve a story from a total unofficial source, well so be it, but don\'t acuse the rest of us of being BIASED, Because we see this news as it realy is BS.

$150 for a Game Cube do me a favour ?

if it is "REALY" going to be thatprice then ill wait for some total Dumm@ss to trade hisin and get one for £50 plus 2 games

Why does Nintendo have to make profit off the hardware?  Sony doesn\'t make any profit from the PS2.  It\'s sold at like an 80 dollar loss or something like that.  DC was sold at a loss from it\'s very start too.  Not too mention the 150 dollar rebate when you sign up for Seganet.  But Sega\'s plan was to make it up with online subscription and software sales.  If Sega had money, they would still be pushing the DC and this deal for everything it\'s worth.  But they don\'t have the resources to do it.

Now Nintendo is a different Story.  They have money, and with what the GBA will produce, they will have even more money.  Their primary goal is to get the hardware out the door and into a lot of homes.  With so many consoles out at one time, they need something to stand extremely out and be the next must-have.  Once they establish a large user base, the software will eventually turn profit.  It will have to be like a 10:1 to do it, but it\'s Nintendo, they can sell a game easily.

Sincerly,

Ginko, the guy with the foot in his mouth and talking from another orface that 00seven hopes is his mouth.

Why dose Nintendo have to make a profit on their hardware ?

DON\'T KNOW BETTER ASK SEGA THAT ONE

seing that it was this same problem that put the end to the Dreamcast, it was not over all or average sales.

it was the fact that they where making a loss on every system build, and that was before people gott a chance to even buy it.

As for the PS2 being mass produced. If I\'m not mistaken.  One of the hardware components for the PS2 had to be made in brand new factories and were very expensive.  Now that the PS2 is selling, the chip costs is going down because of the large bulk it\'s selling in.

I don\'t know for sure, but I heard IBM has produced alot of stuff including these chips for the GC.  They don\'t need new factories, the chip has been ordered in a huge bulk so to drive down costs.