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Who is the most undderated and overrated developer?
« on: April 18, 2001, 01:46:01 PM »
I don\'t usually start topics in the main forum, but I think I may have something interesting and I won\'t have to write much! :D

So the question is: who do you think is the most undderated and overdated developer?

My choice for the most undderated developer: Game Arts! Many of you right now are probably wondering who GA is. They\'re arguably the best RPG developer out there. Has anyone played Grandia 2? This game was marvellous! It had by far the best battle system in an RPG. The story was pretty interesting too. But, these guys are just as good as Square IMO.

My choice for the most overrated developer- Naughty Dog. Their games are not very enjoyable. The Crash series was a pathetic attempt to have a mascot like Mario and it failed. All the Crash games are terrible IMO. Crash Team Racing was a miserable attempt to copy Mario Kart. NG forgets that gameplay sells the game, not some cheap ass rip-off of another game. Jason Rubin is a moron...(all of this was my opinion of course so no need for any rude comments on this)

I\'ll ask my question again-Who is the most underrated and overrated developer?

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2001, 02:01:48 PM »
Overrated-

Naughty Dog, they are good.  But they aren\'t as godly as they think themselves.  Jason Rubin needs to get over him self...

EA- They just piss me off.  No innovation or originality, but they still think themselves the biggest player in the industry...

Square- they have lost their glamour, and it\'s time to step down.  ALso, let FF die already...

Underrated-

Sega- by far.  With them going third party, people will realize what they have been missing.  It\'s all good, all the time with Sega.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2001, 02:12:40 PM »
Whats-up Jumpman!!!  Rarely you post topics!   I disagree on Naughty Dog are Overrated,  on PSone they are Kings next to some of the other PSone makers.  I never think of Namco or Konami are overrated,  they proved them self already.  :D
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2001, 02:21:11 PM »
All Naughty Dog have made is the Crash series.  3 platformers, 1 cart racing, and 1 party game.  They have all been done before.

I will say they had good graphics, but where was the originality.  Other series?  New franchises?  

I really don\'t think they have proved themselves as big players yet.

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2001, 02:30:53 PM »
Underrated; Treasure.

Overrated; EA.

And I disagree with Ginko + Jumpman. Naughty Dog pushed the PSX to its limits regardless of how original or unoriginal Crash was. I think Crash was fun and challenging, at least the first one.

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2001, 06:43:11 PM »
Why is this in console debating? We\'re not debating consoles here in case you haven\'t noticed by now... this definitely belongs in the main forum.

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2001, 06:55:14 PM »
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Why is this in console debating? We\'re not debating consoles here in case you haven\'t noticed by now... this definitely belongs in the main forum.

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no its a debate about developers

so it belongs in here, anything debateable ends up here



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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2001, 06:56:41 PM »
Overrated: I have to agree with Bob and say Nintendo.
There games are good, but they arnt That  GREAT, and Im not talking about Rare and Silicon Knights.

Underrated: I would have to say Konami. I mean people know they are good and all, but not many people consider them to be one of the best, and if you look at thier games, they are at least in the top 5 best developers.

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2001, 07:45:14 PM »
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no its a debate about developers

so it belongs in here, anything debateable ends up here

Well then, I guess the topic who made in the main forum( the sticky one) should be in here too since its a debate too.

But seriously, developers aren\'t consoles...

Anyhoo, I\'ll continue on with the topic.

More overrated developers

EA- I can\'t believe I didn\'t say these guys instead of Naughty Dog...I can\'t wait to see EA get their asseds wipped by Visual Concept!

Konami- I know a lot of you are probably wondering why I\'m putting Konami down but they\'re really not that great. The CastleVania series has sucked for a long time now, MGS was way too short for me, ZOE was a horrible game, ect. They\'re good, but not that good.

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2001, 08:06:11 PM »
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Overrated-


EA- They just piss me off.  No innovation or originality, but they still think themselves the biggest player in the industry...

Square- they have lost their glamour, and it\'s time to step down.  ALso, let FF die already...

FF die ha, whats going to stop it...
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2001, 08:06:22 PM »
My question: How are SEGA and Konami underrated? They are far from underrated. If they were people would not go crazy with every exclusive SEGA and Konami game announced.

Underrated:
Kronos- IMO Kronos has pushed the PSX to its limit and they will do amazing things on the PS2.

Enix- They are the top RPG maker IMO and they sell way more units than Square. They have the ability to make(or break) a console just by announcing support.

Factor 5- Have made a ton of excellent games. Need to be more established, I guess.

Overrated:
Square- Excellent developers but not much range. If it is not RPG related people tend to steer clear.

EA- Another developer that can be excellent when it wants to but generally falls in the average range.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2001, 08:10:21 PM »
The most under-rated developer is [ or was ] Looking Glass

Why? It made perfect games - classics like Terra Nova, System Shock, Thief and System Shock 2 came from Looking Glass. Every one of those games were really done with love - and used lots of time and effort to make up all the new ideas to the games. What makes it underrated, is that the developer wasn\'t a success market-wise. Sure, it was the greatest game-producer of 90\'s, but the games were too different to sell well. And now there\'s no looking glass - Eidos shut it down. I can\'t understand - Eidos shut LG down, but funded Ion Storm\'s Daikatana, wich then flopped really bad.

I can\'t figure out any over-rated developers right now.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2001, 08:15:43 PM »
I got to agree with darth yoda, looking glass is a great developer. Play thief and you\'ll agree with me. Enix is also underated (outside japan)


EA is pretty over rated, they make the same games every year (usually sports or another NFS upgrade) I think they should spend more money on the actual games than on their huge big office (have you seen it??)
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2001, 04:57:13 AM »
but ginko, really, whats going to stop FF games

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2001, 06:19:43 AM »
Read back Bozco, I never said someone was going to stop it.  I just wrote they should let it die.  ( I haven\'t enjoyed a FF since 3 for the SNES)  

If FFX turns out to be a shallow story with amazing eye candy, I will never buy another FF game again.  And hopefully they are changing the battle system, it\'s gotten old.  They need to make it like Grandia 2\'s.

Also, I never thought a RPG could beat FF3. I was wrong.  Skies of Arcadia is IMO, is the best RPG to date.  I think that Skies 2 will be even better...

 

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