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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2001, 08:31:33 AM »
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Are you telling my that Final Fantasy Tactics was a bad game?
How about XenoGears?
I think square has made maybe 4 bad games in the past 4 years, out of a whole lot.
I think thats a good record.
So Bouncer was bad.
8 out of the 9 Final Fantasy\'s were good.
I think that is a good record to make an assumption that the next one will live up to expectations.


which out of the 9 didnt you like

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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2001, 09:47:55 AM »
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which out of the 9 didnt you like


well most people didn\'t like FF8 but imo it was better than a lot of RPGs out there at the time - but it just didn\'t have the spark that made the others real good
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2001, 11:35:23 AM »
No, Xenogears is an excellent title, same as Tactics, but the guy behind both I believe now works for Namco. XenoSaga is a semi-sequel I believe coming out next year.

I thoguht 9 was pure crap, as was 8. 7 wasn\'t bad, and probably the second best RPG on PSX. 6 stands as kind, with 4 and then 5 right behind it.

You played Racing Lagoon? crap. Driving Emotion Type- S###? crap. Bouncer? crap Threads of Fate, I dont know even what to say on this one! Chocobo Racing? crizap!

Square = overrated!

(this does not mean that they can still make great games, they can, its jus tthat they havent been making nearly as many as they should for being on such a high plateau.

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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2001, 05:55:39 PM »
Over-Rated

- Squaresoft: Sure they make some classic RPGs, but you know a company is over-rated when somebody will buy a game published by them (Bouncer was not developed by Square) just because they see the familiar logo. Although their recent Final Fantasy IX was quite impressive, it still doesn\'t compete on the same level as their earlier works. Whenever Square EA strays from the RPG genre, we get stuck with such titles as Chocobo Dungeon and Chocobo Racing. The truth is, that if Squaresoft could develop a revolutionary title that incorporated a new system/genre, then I wouldn\'t put them in this list. I am in no way saying that Squaresoft makes bad games, just that some gamers think a little too highly of them.

- EA: I can play NHL 94\' and have the same gaming experience I get with NHL 99\'. That\'s the simple truth. I see no point in buying the "update" to each EA Sports game each year, when they are all very similar. Unless your an avid sports fan who likes to have their teams and players updated, then there\'s no point. Also, Electronic Arts thinks too highly of themselves and I find them, at times, very ****y. Sure they publish some top-notch titles at times, but they don\'t usually develop those great titles. Some fun gaming, but a bit of repetitivness on their part.

Under-Rated

- Treasure: The name says almost everything. This developer makes some great shooter games that can\'t be missed. Their latest release, Sin and Punishment for the N64, was unfortunately not released in North America, but it got great reviews from Famitsu. This little "treasure" of a developer does not get enough credit here in North America.

- Enix: Let me start off by saying, that when I mention Enix, I am saying that they are under-rated outside of Japan. The Dragon Warrior/Quest series never really took off here, despite Nintendo\'s constant deals and coverage in their magazine, Nintendo Power. In fact, back when the first game came out in North America, Nintendo actually gave out a free copy of Dragon Warrior to people who subscribed to their magazine that year. A great promotion that eventually lead to the release of the next three in the series. Since then, nothing has hapenned. Thankfully, in 2000, partly due to the success of Dragon Warrior Monsters, Enix of America re-opened its offices. You can now find the Dragon Warrior I & II re-make for Game Boy Color. DWIII is also being re-released this summer. Among other games, is also the extremely under-rated Terranigma.

- Sega: Nobody at my school has heard of Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio, or Phantasy Star, excluding a few hardcore gamers. Although this is partly Sega\'s fault for having no advertisement on television, it is rather sad to see such classics being unheard of. Sega, during the 2000 year, has made some truly innovative titles that have been dismissed as... Well, no one\'s heard of them. The thing that really annoys me, is that some say "Sega games suck" and yet when the Sega games for PS2, Gamecube, and X-Box are released, I\'m sure many will be loving them.

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The following is just comments developed from other posts and what I think of certain developers.

Firstly, HAL Laboratories, an internal studio of Nintendo, has been releasing lots of crap lately. The N64 Pokemon titles and Mario Party sequels in particular. The truth is that the first Mario Party was very original (and garnered some copies like Crash Bash and Sonic Shuffle), but there was no need for two sequels only months later. And they could have at least made an entertaining experience for the N64 Pokemon titles. Maybe a 3D RPG or something. Hopefully we\'ll see one for Gamecube that can actually be played. HAL has also made the Earthbound series though, but cancelled Mother 3, which is rumoured to be on the "waiting" list for Gamecube.

Nintendo (as a whole) is neither under-rated or over-rated in my books. The Legend of Zelda series for the N64 was a great transition from 2D to 3D, and I had a great time with both Ocarina of Time and Majora\'s Mask. Also, Super Mario 64 was anything but exceptional. And for those who think Nintendo doesn\'t make sports games, they actually do. Although they haven\'t made many, here\'s a few: 1080 Snowboarding, Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr., and Waverace.

Konami makes some great games, but aren\'t under-rated. Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania, and Goemon have all been solid releases and have been entertaining. Some new franchises would be welcome, and some great hits like Symphony of the Night should be re-visited.

SCEA or Sony... I\'m very dissapointed with what they\'ve offered so far. In terms of publishing, they\'ve released some good stuff, but in terms of developing... well. Legend of Dragoon was average in my books, as was Fantavision (which isn\'t as bad as everyone thinks it is). There\'s some promising titles coming out, but there\'s no guarantee they\'ll be good. The reviews for the highly-anticipated Dark Cloud were mediocre from Famitsu. We\'ll see as the year rolls by.

Rare\'s been getting lazy recently. They released top quality games at the beginning-to-middle of the N64s lifetime, but have now been bringing out sequels. There\'s no doubt that the sequels are amazing and greater (in some respects) to the originals, but we need some new gameplay experiences. Blast Corps, Banjo-Kazooie, Goldeneye, and... I guess, Killer Instinct Gold (although the SNES KI was a little better) have had great runs... now give us something else!

Capcom, Capcom, Capcom. Which also translates into Vs. Vs. Vs. You\'d think that Mega Man would be tired of fighting both Marvel and SNK by now, let alone his own adventures. And the zombies need to lie in their grave for a little longer before being re-visited for the eventual Resident Evil 7. They\'re all still great games, but something new has to come out. Once again, neither over-rated nor under-rated.

I\'d love to have time to talk about Namco, Acclaim, Game Arts, and the rest, but this is enough.
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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2001, 06:20:12 PM »
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well most people didn\'t like FF8 but imo it was better than a lot of RPGs out there at the time - but it just didn\'t have the spark that made the others real good


thats the one i didnt like,i was expecting a lot after playing 7

and Saotome i wouldnt go as far as to say Shenmue was a classic

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2001, 09:35:15 AM »
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thats the one i didnt like,i was expecting a lot after playing 7

and Saotome i wouldnt go as far as to say Shenmue was a classic


It depends how you look at it. In a way it will sort of be a classic, because it was a new type of game. Sure it\'s rather boring at parts, but it still was ingenious and a great memory to have. Hopefully Shenmue 2 will deliver more mini-games and stuff to pass the time between events.
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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2001, 01:54:27 PM »
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I thoguht 9 was pure crap


Just curious, why did you think this? I thought 9 was the best out of the ones on PSX. Definitely reminiscent of the old FF\'s.

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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2001, 02:44:12 PM »
I did like how 9 was a throw back to the good ole non-futuristic FF days. That part I liked. And the class system returning was cool. But the same old play tactics (must use summons mad crazy!) were back.

Bozco - I would consider Shenmue a classic. So would basicallyt anybody with PATIENTCE, UNDERSTANDING, TIME, and KNOWLEDGE of what a good game should be. Sure the voiceovers are bad, and it an get slow at parts (thats why they have the arcade!) but all around it is one of the best games I have played that ws released in the last 3 years.

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« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2001, 03:52:03 PM »
Beasty,

Ah well to each his own.. I really didn\'t rely on too many summons in IX. I loved VII and I think I enjoyed IX a tad more. (though I hate VIII)

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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2001, 09:48:50 AM »
So it seems to go down like this....

The Overall Opinion...

Square/EA - Most Overrated

Treasure/Sega - Most Underrated

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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2001, 10:04:34 AM »
datamage: While Namco deserves praise for pushing the console when porting, plus adding all the extras, they are overrated in the fact that they mask sequels w/ old content and try to pass it as new.

Ex: Almost all the sub-bosses in the Tekken series, the supposedly new characters in Tekken 3/Tag, and supposedly new bosses.

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Capcom. Yah, I\'m an SF fan, but I am INCREDIBALLY sick of all the damn rehashes they do. Pick one goddamn console and produce great games for it while developing other great games for other consoles. This "this game is exclusive" crap they spew in early development pisses me off when I see it a year later on another platform. REC:V had to be the biggest screw job to Sega ever. I mean, sure, the DC got it first, but Capcom still pissed all over them once the PS2 became a hit. I\'m almost betting a billion dollars that RE:0 will hit the PS2/X-Box eventually just shortly after the NGC release.


I agree. Capcom disappointed me when they totally screwed Sega over with RE C:V. Whatever happened to the DC version of Complete?

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I think most people have something against Square because right now they are exclusive.
Go to MSXBox, and everyone will say , "Oh, square sucks."
If they find out a Square game is coming to XBox, "Oh, Square rocks."
Its mostly just "sour Grapes" in my opinion.


That sounds eerily similar to when Sega was still a 1st party. Weren\'t we hearing how Sega sucks and all but now that Sega is Sony\'s bosom buddy, they rock? Sounds like sour grapes, too.

Saotome/Altered Beast: Shenmue is one of the greatest experiences (I don\'t call this a game :D) ever.
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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2001, 11:49:19 AM »
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Ex: Almost all the sub-bosses in the Tekken series, the supposedly new characters in Tekken 3/Tag, and supposedly new bosses.


Xiayou and Eddy are 2 new characters that were introduced in Tekken 3.  Nowhere does Namco say that there are new characters in Tekken Tag.

* Taken from the back of the box;

"34 total characters from Tekken, Tekken 2, and Tekken 3."

Tekken Tag was merely an upgrade to Tekken 3 w/a few extras, tag mode, tweaks, and all characters from the previous Tekkens. So I don\'t see your logic regarding Tekken.

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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2001, 01:03:12 PM »
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Xiayou and Eddy are 2 new characters that were introduced in Tekken 3.  Nowhere does Namco say that there are new characters in Tekken Tag.

* Taken from the back of the box;

"34 total characters from Tekken, Tekken 2, and Tekken 3."

Tekken Tag was merely an upgrade to Tekken 3 w/a few extras, tag mode, tweaks, and all characters from the previous Tekkens. So I don\'t see your logic regarding Tekken.

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Yes, Xiaoyiu and Eddy are new but what about Ogre, Bryan, Gun Jack, Julia, Jin.......haven\'t we seen these characters before???

Tekken 2: Namco boasts 23 (?) characters, half of which are sub-bosses. Anna, Lee, Armor King, Alex/Roger, Kunimitsu....haven\'t we seen these characters before?

I\'ll take back what I said about Tekken Tag, though.

But, why call these characters new when they\'re just new-looking, with some new moves?

For this, I think people give Namco too much credit. Tekken is still more appealing than Virtua Fighter, though. Plus, Time Crisis 2 totally rocks.
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« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2001, 02:01:24 PM »
Ashford,

I understand what you\'re saying. Don\'t get me wrong I don\'t think Tekken is the king of fighers. I myself prefer VF. But in your own statement;

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Tekken 2: Namco boasts 23 (?) characters, half of which are sub-bosses. Anna, Lee, Armor King, Alex/Roger, Kunimitsu....haven\'t we seen these characters before?


It doesn\'t say anything about new characters. I used to be a huge Tekken fan, but sorta lost it for Tekken.. So I kinda forgot which characters were new and what Namco introduced in each Tekken. I agree that Namco rehashes their games, but in their defense @ least most of the rehashes are good and with plenty of extras unlike Capcom. Capcom doesn\'t seem to stop, and their announcement of SNK VS Capcom Complete or whatever the hell its called pissed me off. They have to fix a game that should have been fine to begin with. Anyway I\'ll stop rambling before I start a whole \'nother topic, if it\'s not too late.

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« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2001, 02:30:56 PM »
I concur, VF is the greatest 3D fighter series ever!
and Street Fighter 3:3 is the greatest 2D fighter ever


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