You have to pay to play FF11

Obviously you are stupid tserias! I don\'t have to correct people amny times, because MOST people look up things before blatantly lying out of there mouths.

PSO v.2 adds -

2 new levels.
Soccer in the lobby with teams and such!
new mags
ability to level 200
ability for mags to go to 999
new weapons
more character variations
quick weapon and item selection.

and so on.

Next time look up things before you just assume you are correct and I wont make fun of you.

Back to the topic -

The thing that is VERY bad about this, is it REQUIRES you to have PlayOnline. requires. I dont care if PlayOnline is exactly the quality SegaNet, if it MAKES you use it, which SegaNet never did, then it is a scam.


Eric Jacob

I know ooseven touched on it a little bit but I dont think he stated it fully. Why is everyone complaining about the PlayOnline? I figure most would complain that it is also reqiried (everyones favorite word) to buy the HD Adapter to play the game. Less then 10 Dollars a mounth is nothing. If you beg people for a dolar every day. I garentee you will have ten by the end of the mounth.

Not only that, but you also gotta buy the game for around 50 bucks translated yen. Gimme a break Square! They should just go the PSO way...frizee!

Didn\'t mean to single you out Beasty, but I just chose to quote you.

As teiresias already stated, there\'s a huge difference between PSO and a true online RPG such as EverQuest. Maintaining a true and persistent online world takes money. You don\'t like it? Tough. Don\'t pay, and don\'t play. If you think PSO is where it\'s at, go play EverQuest and you will see what being addicted really means. This coming from a fully recovered EQ addict. You guys have no idea. Trust me. People have lost jobs, gotten divorced, and ruined their life because of EQ. No f\'cking joke.

Oh, for the record, I don\'t care for FFXI either, after going through EQ and its hold on me, I\'ve decided I\'ll never go down that route again. I\'m not paying to play either. But regardless of what anyone thinks, the means are justified.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

Originally posted by Caspian
You all are blowing this way out of preportion. teiresias, PlayOline is like SegaNet in very many ways. You can dial-up to it. You can access it on broadband and it host all of Squares games.

Please remmemebr people that PlayOnline is not only a ISP or Network. It lets you read magazins, hints and tips, and with conjuction of the PS2 camera have video phone conversations.

So please remmember that Play Online is not only just a ISP it is so much more.

Ohhhh, a magazine and all Square games online??? Wow, what a bargain! Moron. You can trow your money away... I wont be.

And PSO is a true online game to somme of you that think mainstream EQ is the model to follow. Try getting all the casual solitare gamers to pay for PS2, a HD, and monthly fees while they still have EQ to play....

This thing has failure written all over it. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea?.... come to me, I\'ll shoot you now, so you can stop ruining gaming.

And PSO is a true online game to somme of you that think mainstream EQ is the model to follow. Try getting all the casual solitare gamers to pay for PS2, a HD, and monthly fees while they still have EQ to play....

This thing has failure written all over it. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea?.... come to me, I\'ll shoot you now, so you can stop ruining gaming.

Tell that to Verant who is successful as hell thanks to EverQuest. It doesn\'t take 2 million casual gamers for FFXI to be a success. EQ was considered a great success with only 300k subscribers.

Want to argue about it next year when you see that it won\'t be a failure? Or we can continue to spew hot air right now. PSO is a nice game for those who don\'t know any better. (online rpg wise - not to be taken another way.)

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

First of all "AlteredBeast" this is what I said, "very limited extra functionality IMO, no new levels or anything."

Notice I said in my opinion.  I knew about everything you listed.  However, I don\'t believe they add anything significant to the game.  Your character and mag can go to a higher level cap -- ooh what genius thought of that!!  New weapons, more character variations, new "stuff" overall -- new stuff like this is added monthly in other online games on the PC so I really don\'t see what\'s so huge about that.  None of this really changes the way the game plays though, they just give you new options.

I thought soccer in the lobby was cool until I saw a video of it in action.  Rather boring looking with no real goal or organization.

I believe the 2 new "levels" are only available for player versus player games.  They don\'t contain any new bosses or anything.  All the old levels have also been retextured and have a new look, but they\'re the same levels, they just look different.  That\'s why I consider there not to be any new levels.

And thank you for assuming that I give a damn whether you make fun of me or not.  After all my life revolves around what people say about me on an internet message board <-sarcasm  Next time, you may wish to be a bit more civilized and realize that you can correct people (though you had nothing to correct anyway) without trying to be an ass.

This thing has failure written all over it. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea?.... come to me, I\'ll shoot you now, so you can stop ruining gaming.

Failure written all over it just like Everquest had right?  Uh huh, whatever.  Anyway, after you started talking about shooting people I blanked out because if someone can\'t discuss something without becoming moronic than they\'re not worth reading anymore.

Originally posted by teiresias


Failure written all over it just like Everquest had right?  Uh huh, whatever.  Anyway, after you started talking about shooting people I blanked out because if someone can\'t discuss something without becoming moronic than they\'re not worth reading anymore.

1- PC\'s have more casual gamers.

2- Even casual gamers will only pay for so many online games.

3- FFXI isn\'t a PC game.


EQ is successful with 300k? PSO has surpassed that. Why? You can use your own ISP, and it\'s FREE to play online.

Ethug, Moron was uncalled for. Would this be classified as Counsol Debating?

1- PC\'s have more casual gamers.

Odd, all the arguments I ever hear say that gaming on the PC is so expensive that there are no casual gamers on the PC.  Add in the fact that most of the online RPGs are 3D games and you need a decent PC to run them anyway further eliminating many of these "casual" people.

I\'m still not convinced PlayOnline is an ISP though.

Originally posted by Caspian
Ethug, Moron was uncalled for. Would this be classified as Counsol Debating?

Maybe you feel it was, but that\'s how I feel. Trust me, as much as I diss FF, I\'m getting FFX. I really feel strongly this will ruin gaming if widespread. You\'lll pay for PlayOnline maybe, but what happens when every game requires a subscription to each companies own service??? It will happen if PlayOnline is successful.


teiresias- Casual PC gamers include millions of solitaire players in offices. And I didnt call PO a ISP. It\'s just a bad idea.

. You\'lll pay for PlayOnline maybe, but what happens when every game requires a subscription to each companies own service???

Then you will just have to selective about what games you play, boohoo.  The vast majority of online games will be like PSO and Quake and the like.  They won\'t require subscriptions, but certain types of games that require high maintanence and upkeep costs will have to be subscription based.  You may not like that, but its your choice not to play them.  Just don\'t go saying something is going to "ruin" gaming when it won\'t since the majority of gaming, at least this generation, is going to remain offline anyway.

I wasn\'t referring to you talking about PlayOnline, I was referring to others, though you did site as one of the reasons PSO did well was because you could use your own ISP, implying FFXI would not allow that which makes no sense.

Originally posted by teiresias


Then you will just have to selective about what games you play, boohoo.  The vast majority of online games will be like PSO and Quake and the like.  They won\'t require subscriptions, but certain types of games that require high maintanence and upkeep costs will have to be subscription based.  You may not like that, but its your choice not to play them.  Just don\'t go saying something is going to "ruin" gaming when it won\'t since the majority of gaming, at least this generation, is going to remain offline anyway.

I wasn\'t referring to you talking about PlayOnline, I was referring to others, though you did site as one of the reasons PSO did well was because you could use your own ISP, implying FFXI would not allow that which makes no sense.

If PlayOnline is successful, it will be widespread. And you may be able to use your own isp to go online w/PS2, but you need more than a ISP to play on PO, you need to pay extra. You can give me lots of bull**** about server costs, but Square is doing this out of pure greed.

Yes, I guess the fact that they want to pay the salaries of the programmers that will be keeping the game fresh and up to date is pure greed.  That\'s bull****.

Then you had best not play any game from MS because they charge monthly for Asheron\'s Call out of pure greed.

You had also better not play any game from EA because they charge monthly for Ultima Online out of pure greed.

And whoever owns Everquest had better be on your "not to play" list since they charge monthly out of pure greed.

The fact that they could need to the money to actually could keep the game running couldn\'t be a valid reason could it.  Guess not for those that would rather try to make up something to vindicate what they want to believe.

Originally posted by teiresias
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And whoever owns Everquest had better be on your "not to play" list since they charge monthly out of pure greed.

 Verant Interactive developed Everquest, and Sony owns Verant Interactive

I think that creates a dillema for some of us

1- PC\'s have more casual gamers.

2- Even casual gamers will only pay for so many online games.

3- FFXI isn\'t a PC game.

1 - Nope. The majority of PC users (I think) are more \'hardcore\' than console users. After all, consoles are much easier to deal with right? Lots of PC users like to tinker and dive in their PC, but of course this doesn\'t apply to all.

2 - That\'s fine. If FFXI delivers though, then people will gladly pay. There\'s far more FF fans than EverQuest and Ultima Online combined.

3 - Square is doing it for the PS2 and PC.