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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2004, 09:57:54 PM »
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Hmm...let me check my memory vault...YUP I KNOW THAT.

I know all speeches are written by somebody else. But people are praising Bush for a speech he wouln\'t have come up with if God had given him a new brain.

I didn\'t watch the entire RNC so I wouln\'t know. I didn\'t watch the entire DNC so I can\'t compare the two.

And the whole money issue had nothing to do with Republicans being richer than whomever you said.

Today at work I was talking to a Vietnam veteran who supports Kerry. He told me that after he got back to the war, he was completely against it also. And so were alot of his friends. B/c he saw it as a religious war when people began not only attacking his troops b/c they were invading but because they were Christians...b/c they were American...And he didn\'t feel like the war did anything but put lives on the line. Too bad Bush can\'t tell stories like that huh?



Are you old enough to vote? If not - shut up, because your opinion can hold no bearing on the up and coming election.

Thanks.
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« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2004, 04:32:18 AM »
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I didn\'t watch the entire RNC so I wouln\'t know. I didn\'t watch the entire DNC so I can\'t compare the two.

And the whole money issue had nothing to do with Republicans being richer than whomever you said.


If you didn\'t watch either please STFU!

And did you not say:

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Overall, money can make any convention good.


I swear you have ADD. :stick:

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Today at work I was talking to a Vietnam veteran who supports Kerry. He told me that after he got back to the war, he was completely against it also. And so were alot of his friends. B/c he saw it as a religious war when people began not only attacking his troops b/c they were invading but because they were Christians...b/c they were American...And he didn\'t feel like the war did anything but put lives on the line. Too bad Bush can\'t tell stories like that huh?


WTF are you talking about Vietnam being a religious war!?!?!?!?!  Really kid, you need to get an education.  Vietnam was purely a political war - Communism vs. Capitalism.
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« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2004, 07:59:53 AM »
Giga...stop putting words in my mouth. I said "money can make any convention good"

I DIDN\'T SAY "Republicans had a good convention because they have more money"




Get an education?

I don\'t know if you read that I was TALKING to a VIETNAM VETERAN. I wasn\'t stating it as a FACT. Damn Giga. He said it had an impact on him when a Viet priest covered himself in gasoline and burned himself and said something about dying instead of letting Americans take him. Holy shit, you should work for your boy Bush, you two are really good at making things look like they aren\'t.

I didn\'t watch them completely. I didn\'t say I DIDN\'T WATCH THEM AT ALL.

Bush\'s convention was a "There is hope! Just let me try again!" type

Kerry\'s was a "If you let him try again he\'ll screw up!" type

And LIC I\'m not old enough to vote. By 5 months. But I do have an opinion. And believe it or not, there are alot of people in my class that DO listen to my opinion and ARE voting for Kerry. Even the ones that didn\'t register decided to register just to vote for Kerry. So please STFU and hopefully Bush doesn\'t get selected again so people like you can just sit back and take it.

Now let\'s all sit back and watch the 1K+ dead soldiers roll in...and counting.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2004, 08:02:10 AM by SirMystiq »
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« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2004, 09:23:55 AM »
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Giga...stop putting words in my mouth. I said "money can make any convention good"

I DIDN\'T SAY "Republicans had a good convention because they have more money"


In case you haven\'t figured it out - it means the same thing.


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Get an education?

I don\'t know if you read that I was TALKING to a VIETNAM VETERAN. I wasn\'t stating it as a FACT. Damn Giga. He said it had an impact on him when a Viet priest covered himself in gasoline and burned himself and said something about dying instead of letting Americans take him. Holy shit, you should work for your boy Bush, you two are really good at making things look like they aren\'t.


Yes, get an education - the US wasn\'t over there fighting Buddhist monks - they were fighting Communist North Vietnamese.  You/he or both of you are idiots.  I can\'t determine which one of you said what, but since you are posting that mindless babble I will lean toward you misinterpreting what he said.  Read...

The first self immolations in regards to the US and S. Vietnamese government happened in 1963 - The first US troops didn\'t arrive in the country until 1965 in Da Nang.  What year was this so called Vietnam vet in Vietnam?  Secondly, "the Americans were not coming to take him" as you or your misinformed friend claim.  These self immolations were a sign of political and religious protest mainly against the S. Vietnamese government due to religious grievences.  In other cases they were against the war in general - not because American troops were rounding up Buddhist monks. :rolleyes:  Buddhists have used similiar tactics since the year 4 BC when Alexander the Great invaded India.    

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And LIC I\'m not old enough to vote. By 5 months. But I do have an opinion. And believe it or not, there are alot of people in my class that DO listen to my opinion and ARE voting for Kerry. Even the ones that didn\'t register decided to register just to vote for Kerry. So please STFU and hopefully Bush doesn\'t get selected again so people like you can just sit back and take it.

Now let\'s all sit back and watch the 1K+ dead soldiers roll in...and counting.


I really want LIC to answer this one, but I just have to comment - what moron would listen to you?  I really am curious.  Does MTV Rock The Vote know about you and what mad motivation skillz you have?   :rolleyes: Why hasn\'t Kerry called you to be one of his key advisors since you know how to manipulate people with your witty political insights?
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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2004, 04:54:53 PM »
I think the problem is that Sir lacks any kind of focus on the actual subjects at hand - he is what I refer to as a person who just wants to follow whatever is different and at this moment, Kerry is different. Don\'t get me wrong, I will vote for Kerry also (if I indeed do vote), but unlike Sir, I can provide arguments about it, instead of just repeating myself like a broken record. Which is all he does.. Blah blah, I\'m mexican, blah blah I don\'t agree with the war.. Give me a break and come up with an original thought, if that is possible for you.

I truly doubt anyone has ever been influenced by your opinion, due to your complete lack of debating skills.

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« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2004, 06:38:00 PM »
My attachments aren\'t working again so this is the best I can do.

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« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2004, 07:44:41 PM »
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In case you haven\'t figured it out - it means the same thing.




Yes, get an education - the US wasn\'t over there fighting Buddhist monks - they were fighting Communist North Vietnamese.  You/he or both of you are idiots.  I can\'t determine which one of you said what, but since you are posting that mindless babble I will lean toward you misinterpreting what he said.  Read...

The first self immolations in regards to the US and S. Vietnamese government happened in 1963 - The first US troops didn\'t arrive in the country until 1965 in Da Nang.  What year was this so called Vietnam vet in Vietnam?  Secondly, "the Americans were not coming to take him" as you or your misinformed friend claim.  These self immolations were a sign of political and religious protest mainly against the S. Vietnamese government due to religious grievences.  In other cases they were against the war in general - not because American troops were rounding up Buddhist monks. :rolleyes:  Buddhists have used similiar tactics since the year 4 BC when Alexander the Great invaded India.    

 

I really want LIC to answer this one, but I just have to comment - what moron would listen to you?  I really am curious.  Does MTV Rock The Vote know about you and what mad motivation skillz you have?   :rolleyes: Why hasn\'t Kerry called you to be one of his key advisors since you know how to manipulate people with your witty political insights?



Wow funny how much you can see through letters.


You honestly don\'t know anything about my debating skills or how I think other than the fact that I don\'t care to amuse some egocentric couple by posting stuff that would please and encourage a right-wing nut job and a left-wing shame.

No it doesn\'t mean the same thing. I didn\'t allude to Republicans being richer than Democrats. That is what you said I typed and that is what you claim I intended to say.

I know what the Viet war was about. Don\'t try to lecture me. Honestly you know nothing of my intelligence. But we all know how great you are...

The dude was a Viet veteran with a cap and everything. I talked to the guy for a couple of minutes, I\'m not best friends with the guy. It seriously crossed my mind that he was kind of looney but it was an interesting view.


Both of you LIC and Giga go hand in hand in these forums. Both of you consider yourselfs established in a certain level of intelligence that runs through these forums. You have no equal because in your mind all you see is my age and how much I don\'t agree with you. That translates to you automatically judging me as stupid and yourselves as superior. Kind of sad if you think about it.

How do you debate online? Post. Wait a couple of hours. And post again?

I\'m in the debate team and one of their top ones. Debates? How is posting online a debate? You have hours to look up stuff just to prove somebody wrong, in a debate you have to be quick on your feet and come up with something quick.

I\'ve always gone Democrat. I don\'t believe that the government should be run by people who want to tell others how to live. I find it sad that religious groups claim the Republican party because they feel as if that party is the only one that supports whatever it is they feel is right. Religion should stop trying to become politically involved because history shows how much it can screw the people over. Republicans encourage and praise these kind of thoughts by religious groups and take advantage of it.

Republicans view the non-rich as people who need to get up their ass and do something. They don\'t focus on the middle or lower class and would do anything to cut back on the amount of welfare and so on these people get. I stand firm on the believe that the role of the government is to appease and comform to the people, which is what the fathers intended and when government goes too far somebody has to stop them.

Tocqueville once said that this country is unique because all people have the opportunity to become richer and make a better life for themselves. The fathers wanted this country to be that way.

I want kerry to win because I think Bush has led this country in the wrong direction. The situation in Iraq was overhauled as critical and dangerous when in reality it became dangerous the moment our troops got there. Enemies of the US are using Iraq as a battle ground in order to get to US lifes. There had never been so many car bombings and suicidal maniacs in Iraq but now more and more religious extremist are finding a home in Iraq which in turn isn\'t going to help the Iraqi people. It isn\'t going to get any better.

He has also cut ties to other nations. Which in time will come back to haunt us. Russia just went through an extreme terrorist act. And they don\'t feel as if the US is helping them at all. Bush is leading this country in one direction. Terrorism will not end at the hands of Bush. Russia can be a helpful ally on this war but I doubt Putin would want to talk with Bush. Any country which was ridiculed by the Bush Admin. would be too proud to begin anything.

His tax cuts are for the rich and I don\'t think Bill Gates needs the money to put his kids through college.

I think Kerry should win because he will lead this country in a new direction. And that is what we need. We can\'t just keep pushing a mans agenda which hasn\'t worked to expectations over the last few years. A new face in the oval office would hopefully convince other nations to help us in Iraq and overall end the conflict without further deaths.

Kerry can be as any good a leader as Bush. I don\'t view Kerry as a "flip flop" The guy is willing to change with time and with what the people want. Not how he feels about it. If our first president would have been as stubborn as Bush, we would be living in the stone age.
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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2004, 07:50:53 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2004, 08:01:34 PM »
LOL. Nice.

I call it a moment of inspiration.

I don\'t recall what the post was about exactly but alot of you even Giga said I copied and pasted. I didn\'t. But I didn\'t want to say anything because you wouln\'t believe me so W/E. I don\'t remember what it was about.

Anyways.

Instead of focusing my threads on pissing off Giga I would try to be more objective about it.


I thought the RNC was good. The speeches and all. I just don\'t feel that Bush concentrated around the issues at hand. Not only that but he seemed too stubborn and single minded.

Kerry on the other hand needs to get his ass to work. The GOP has burned him about anything you can think off and he needs to do something about it quick.

The debates will be far more interesting to watch. I think we need a president that has the intelligence and capacity to think for himself. Bush will look silly on the debates. And that will be Kerrys golden opportunity.
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« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2004, 10:31:25 PM »
If that was your inspiration, I have to say, I\'d hate to listen to one of your debates.

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His tax cuts are for the rich and I don\'t think Bill Gates needs the money to put his kids through college.


It is quote\'s like this that show you lack any actual knowledge of what the hell is going on. You resort to bringing someone else into your pathetic analogy.

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The debates will be far more interesting to watch. I think we need a president that has the intelligence and capacity to think for himself. Bush will look silly on the debates. And that will be Kerrys golden opportunity.


The debates do not hold near the amount they use to. While I favor Kerry, I\'m not blind enough to not see his campaign is failing. Why? Because he doesn\'t have a clue what the people want to hear. Focus groups show they the number one priority is the handling of terrorist and the war on terror, but Kerry continue\'s to run his campaign on an extremely weak war story. It\'s not enough. Discussing the economy is not enough. The Democractic Convention was weak as Kerry\'s campaign and that is the problem. He had a great monemetum (spell check!) at first, but as recently slacked off and in a campaign for the Presidental spot, any slacking or missteps can be fatal.


I truly doubt that Kerry\'s Adminstration will be capable of taking the country in an entire new direction. Provided they get elected, there is far to much already set in stone by the Bush Adminstration, a national debt, army stretched thin and many other problems.

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« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2004, 04:48:11 AM »
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Wow funny how much you can see through letters.


You honestly don\'t know anything about my debating skills or how I think other than the fact that I don\'t care to amuse some egocentric couple by posting stuff that would please and encourage a right-wing nut job and a left-wing shame.


Can someone translate this for me.

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No it doesn\'t mean the same thing. I didn\'t allude to Republicans being richer than Democrats. That is what you said I typed and that is what you claim I intended to say.


How many times have you alluded to or said that the Republicans are rich and all they care about are the rich?????  Wait a minute!  You even say it in this post a few paragraphs down!

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How do you debate online? Post. Wait a couple of hours. And post again?

I\'m in the debate team and one of their top ones. Debates? How is posting online a debate? You have hours to look up stuff just to prove somebody wrong, in a debate you have to be quick on your feet and come up with something quick.


You on a debate team?  :laughing:  You don\'t even know simple facts - let alone present them in a convincing manner.  I also call into question your truthfulness on these forums as you have made claims regarding your real life in the past here that have been proved untrue.  If you really are on a debate "team" what book should every member of a debate team have memorized?  Lastly, while this isn\'t a standard debate forum, I usually respond within a minute or so when I am online and usually go by what I know - yes I am that great ;)

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I\'ve always gone Democrat. I don\'t believe that the government should be run by people who want to tell others how to live. I find it sad that religious groups claim the Republican party because they feel as if that party is the only one that supports whatever it is they feel is right. Religion should stop trying to become politically involved because history shows how much it can screw the people over. Republicans encourage and praise these kind of thoughts by religious groups and take advantage of it.


Funny, religion wasn\'t a main topic at the RNC.  I think this was a smart move on the part of the GOP.  If you don\'t believe government should be run by people who tell others how to live then you are voting for the wrong party.  Democrats want to put taxes on food they feel is unhealthy for you, taxes on gasoline to limit your ability to drive as much as you would like to, etc.  

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Republicans view the non-rich as people who need to get up their ass and do something. They don\'t focus on the middle or lower class and would do anything to cut back on the amount of welfare and so on these people get. I stand firm on the believe that the role of the government is to appease and comform to the people, which is what the fathers intended and when government goes too far somebody has to stop them.


Ahhh here it is - you allude to Republicans as being rich people who don\'t care about the poor...  Anyway, they do focus on the middle class - I pretty much get my full income tax back at the end of the year.  Cut back on welfare?  That is a bad thing?  It sounds to me like you support people getting something for nothing.  Sorry, it doesn\'t work that way in this country and statements like that further my opinion that you expect this country to give you and other immigrants a free ride.
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Tocqueville once said that this country is unique because all people have the opportunity to become richer and make a better life for themselves. The fathers wanted this country to be that way.

That means you have to work for it.  

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His tax cuts are for the rich and I don\'t think Bill Gates needs the money to put his kids through college.
 Pure ingnorance.

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I think Kerry should win because he will lead this country in a new direction. And that is what we need. We can\'t just keep pushing a mans agenda which hasn\'t worked to expectations over the last few years. A new face in the oval office would hopefully convince other nations to help us in Iraq and overall end the conflict without further deaths.


Like who?  France? You really believe a few more nations would stop further deaths?  

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Kerry can be as any good a leader as Bush. I don\'t view Kerry as a "flip flop" The guy is willing to change with time and with what the people want. Not how he feels about it. If our first president would have been as stubborn as Bush, we would be living in the stone age.


Bush isn\'t a an appeaser.  You can\'t negotiate with terrorists and lead a more "sensitive" war on terror.  :laughing:

If our first president wasn\'t stubborn we would be part of the British Commonwealth.
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