Something to ponder about the PS2...

I\'d reply to everything said here but there\'s no point, so I\'m just going to say a few things:

- EA Sports have never been a Playstation franchise/exclusive/whatever. They, in fact, support the PC market more than the console market (although that\'s beginning to change). They also supported the Nintendo 64 with their Sports games. The recent system they didn\'t support was Dreamcast, but that\'s fine since I enjoy Sega Sports games more anyways.

- XBox isn\'t getting all the Japanese-oriented PS2 games, like RPGS, etc. That is why it will still have difficulty taking off there, although it seems to be getting a good backing by a few companies. Also, Tekken has not yet been confirmed for XBox. Namco has said there is one coming for Gamecube (probably a port of TTT), but nothing about XBox.

- I\'m not going to start the debate about Nintendo being "kiddie". You\'re completely wrong that the whole world views Nintendo as kiddy. They may have games that don\'t feature blood and gore and sex, but when does that ever make anything kiddy? I can tell you right now that I\'d prefer an innovative game than a repetitive slash-em-up. In the minds of many gamers, Nintendo still makes innovative and challenging games that kids probably can\'t even beat. Same goes for Sega.

- As for Gamecube not touching the gaming market. Trust me it will. I will be buying a Gamecube, as well as many people I know, over an XBox this holiday season (and most of us already own PS2s). I may eventually buy an XBox, but Microsoft and Nintendo WILL be competitors this Christmas, and only a few hardcore gamers will be able to afford both at the same time.

Originally posted by Tshirts


Why don\'t you take a look for yourself!

Here is a pic of the Xbox version...

http://mb.vgdirectory.com/May/genmaonimusha2.jpg

That was in the Magicbox.com archives, May 18.  Notice how they marked "genma Onimusha 2.jpg"

Here is the PS2 version of Onimusha 2....

http://mb.vgdirectory.com/Jun/oni28.jpg

Its the exact same game.

Then again, I could be wrong.  Sorry!  I\'m not too sure, but both screens look quite similar.  Anyhow, let\'s just wait and see.  If I am wrong, then I am sorry.  My bad!

One more thing.  Why do you keep on saying negative crap like this is some sort of mud slinging contest.  Am I making you that nervous?  Lets just have a peaceful debate so neither of us ends up getting ban ok?  Thanx!

well i hate to break it to you but if that site Magicbox is trying to lead you on i guess because last i knew Samanouske is not in Onimusha 2 - and if you look at te pic very closely



you can tell its him since the main man in Onimusha 2 has a different armor and hair stlye

Holy crap I just had a very weird moment... I was reading the thread thinking about something else and then drifted off and now I don\'t know where I am!

A new Xspawn has landed, he goes by the name Tshi*t or some such, spewing there is no reason for owning PS2 because currently all possible titles will be on xbox plus mo\'betta\'. In other words SOS. Sadly mistaken on several key points as a few here have tried to politely point out, nothing new there either. Kudos to you Jumpster for not taking the GC=kiddie bait. You must be growing.


Hmmm... games that will sell PS2s but not xboxs. GT3, FFX, Jax n Dax

Will xbox launch on time? Will anyone care? Will  MS ever get the hardware to work as foretold?

These question and more need to be answered for a debate to have status above that of WB (why bother?)

A new Xspawn has landed, he goes by the name Tshi*t or some such, spewing there is no reason for owning PS2 because currently all possible titles will be on xbox plus mo\'betta\'. In other words SOS. Sadly mistaken on several key points as a few here have tried to politely point out, nothing new there either. Kudos to you Jumpster for not taking the GC=kiddie bait. You must be growing.


Hmmm... games that will sell PS2s but not xboxs. GT3, FFX, Jax n Dax

Will xbox launch on time? Will anyone care? Will MS ever get the hardware to work as foretold?

These question and more need to be answered for a debate to have status above that of WB (why bother?)



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LMAO, damn this forum keeps getting better and better over time!

Hey, just wanted to stick in my two cents:

I decided to go for PS2, and currently don\'t plan on getting an XBox because:

A) I never owned a PSX so being able to play both 1 and 2 games opened up a huge game library for me.

I wasn\'t very patient and PS2 came out first.

C) Rumors are flying around of a new PS coming out in around 2005, which is supposedly like having 16 PS2\'s stuck in one. So why buy XBox and have two machines basically the same when I can hang on to PS2 and wait for the "next, next generation" of gaming machines.

That\'s how I justified myself in the purchase of a PS2 December of 2000.  I\'ve been happy, though impressed by XBox, since I could only afford one, I\'m content with my PS2.

So why buy XBox and have two machines basically the same

This is where you are sadly, sadly Mistaken, but hey if you wan PS2 then get it, makes sense since you want to play the old ps1 games, plus PS2 is out right now, XBOX is not.. It\'s all good my friend.


PS. Not only when XBOX comes out, but when it get\'s itself welll established(online play) you will see how big a difference the two systems are. Although a 1 year and a half from now XBOX might be cheaper, so who knows?

Saotome

Tekken has not yet been confirmed for XBox

Of course not.  I was just speculating.  In fact we don\'t know anything about Namco\'s plan for the Xbox other than 2 brand new games and 6 prior franchises (online??).  If they continue with the trend (every 3rd party company releasing their biggest franchises on the system) then it is highly concievable either Tekken or SC will find its way over.

- I\'m not going to start the debate about Nintendo being "kiddie". You\'re completely wrong that the whole world views Nintendo as kiddy. They may have games that don\'t feature blood and gore and sex, but when does that ever make anything kiddy? .

Yes.  I am sorry but that is *your* personal opinion on why they are not kiddy.  I tried to present you with some objectivity and if it doesn\'t register then so be it.  

As for Gamecube not touching the gaming market. Trust me it will. I will be buying a Gamecube

Yes, and I am sure many of a selected group of your friends will buy it too.  

In the minds of many gamers, Nintendo still makes innovative and challenging games that kids probably can\'t even beat

In the minds of *what* gamers exactly?  Is there an experiment that shows an accurate  conjecture of the amount of gamers who *don\'t* think Nintendo is kiddy such as yourself?  I am sorry for sounding so anal, but that is just what you merely speculated correct?

Speculation does not equal fact.

Herectic

A new Xspawn has landed, he goes by the name Tshi*t or some such, spewing there is no reason for owning PS2 because currently all possible titles will be on xbox plus mo\'betta\'.

Thanx for putting words in my mouth.  

Sadly mistaken on several key points as a few here have tried to politely point out, nothing new there either

I am sorry if I was inaccurate in anyway.  Then again, if I was as bad as you make me seem, why didn\'t you take the opportunity to tear me up yourself?

Hmmm... games that will sell PS2s but not xboxs. GT3, FFX, Jax n Dax

Granted I am sure they will.....

These question and more need to be answered for a debate to have status above that of WB (why bother?)

Gee thanx.

As I am aware this is a discussion forum.  *Discussing* is what this forum is all about. Speculating, and merely discussing about any topic is not in line with fact. Therefore, each and everyone of us has the right to *argue* and present our views on what we believe is right or wrong. Why don\'t you present some of your intelligent views on why you *don\'t think* my dispute is in line with yours . So instead of dismissing my ideas, why don\'t you try and make new ones and let yourself be heard.   Please.  Like I said before I am open to all discussions and I would appreciate it if you do the same.  Thank you.

well said!

Yes. I am sorry but that is *your* personal opinion on why they are not kiddy. I tried to present you with some objectivity and if it doesn\'t register then so be it.p

You were not being objective, you were merely stating your opinion then saying that the whole world feels this way too, which was completely moronic.  You don\'t know how the world feels about Nintendo nor does he. I\'m sensing some hypocrisy here since you just told him that was just *his* opinion when all your doing is trying to state yours as facts.

Kudos to you Jumpster for not taking the GC=kiddie bait. You must be growing.

I don\'t respond to everyone\'s uneducated opinions. In fact, I haven\'t had a "Nintendo is kiddie" type of argument with someone in months.

That\'s probably because *most* of the people here have grown up and realize that while it\'s obvious that Nintnedo does cater to a younger audience, that they\'re games are bought and enjoyed by gamers of all ages regardless of the rating on the box. Not to mention some of the N64\'s best games are made specifically for older audiences. (I.E. Perfect Dark, Golden Eye, CBFD (although I personally don\'t care for the game), and Killer Instinct.. just to name a few.) I\'m sure Jumpman or Livin in Clip can rattle off quite a few more than I can.

Originally posted by Tshirts
Saotome

a) Yes.  I am sorry but that is *your* personal opinion on why they are not kiddy.  I tried to present you with some objectivity and if it doesn\'t register then so be it.  

b) Yes, and I am sure many of a selected group of your friends will buy it too.  

c) In the minds of *what* gamers exactly?  Is there an experiment that shows an accurate  conjecture of the amount of gamers who *don\'t* think Nintendo is kiddy such as yourself?  I am sorry for sounding so anal, but that is just what you merely speculated correct?

d) Speculation does not equal fact.

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a) And it is your opinion that they are"kiddy". I believe you said that the whole world thinks Nintendo is kiddy. Unless I am not part of the world, I believe you were already wrong on that subjective opinion, not an objective fact.

b) I don\'t select my group of friends based on what kinds of video games they like. In fact, half of my friends do not even play video games, and the other half are pretty much Playstation 2 fans, some of which are already planning on buying a Gamecube and (maybe) and XBox.

c) I believe you speculated that all gamers believed Nintendo was kiddy. Note that I didn\'t say all gamers shared my opinion, I said most. And when I say gamers I mean people who enjoy video games because of the obvious gaming aspect, not aesthetics.

d) Just keep on telling that to yourself and maybe it\'ll sink in one day.

I believe you said that the whole world thinks Nintendo is kiddy

Yes I did.  It was an overstatement made by me in a *humorous-type* of context.  I didn\'t literally mean the whole world.  LOL.  Funny how you took what was obviously a *hyperbole* so seriously.

You were not being objective,

I merely stated my opinions riding off of the objectivity that was provided for me from various discussions Nintendo had with the press, whereas Saotome speculated on what he thought was true.  In this case...

In the minds of many gamers, Nintendo still makes innovative and challenging games that kids probably can\'t even beat

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I simply ask for some sort of basis (in this case an experiment) where he can lay claim to that assertion.  If he couldn\'t provide any (facts) then it is no more than a speculation.  I had mine derived straight from the mouths of Nintendo and I merely opinionated on what was already a foundation of truth.  There is a difference.

well it seems that rumours aren\'t always true then huh

since i have shown you that your Omimusha 2 on Xbox was not true - it kinda says hey maybe you were wrong and you should wait for the official release of a companies dealings - since its is their game and what not  - if its not official then its a rumour - and they can go either way but most rumours are false or not completely true

i am asuming you read my post - if not then you prob have no idea what i am talking about

Originally posted by Tshirts

Yes and he also stated the updated MGS2 will be available for the Xbox with better graphics and more levels.

Would you happen to have a link to that statement? And unless it was made by Kojima himself don\'t bother posting it.

Still.  They won\'t be a factor.  The mainstream market will be split between the Xbox and PS2 and *not* the GC.

Once again your arguments are overwhelming. :rollseyes:

Wrong!  *Yet again*  Onimusha Gen is indeed an upgraded version of Onimusha 2.

I\'m beginning to see a pattern here. Do you have any facts to support your claims? Other than that one screenshot depicting Samanouske which seems to harm your cause rather than help it?

First of all, FFXI will be an mmorpg. That\'s massive multiplayer online rpg for those that don\'t know and these type of games are broadband games and usually use hard drives. And we all know the Xbox comes with broadband and hard drive inside. Now here\'s the beautiful part. Now that Square is making an mmorpg, Sony no longer has the largest user base. Only people with broadband make up the user base for the game, hence every Xbox sold is part of that user base. But with the PS2 and GC, people will have to buy peripherals. I\'m not saying that people won\'t buy them, but I think it\'s a very good possibility the Xbox will offer Square a larger user base for their game, because I believe more Xbox\'s will sell than broadband adapters. So even though Sony may have the largest user base, things change when it comes to FFXI.

Second, there is a reason to believe Square is coming to the Xbox:  They said it themself.

Third, They\'ve been in negotiations with Microsoft for 2 years now.  We know they are trying to work something out.

Fourth, at E3 they announced FFX as an exclusive PS2 title for a year (meaning it could go somewhere else) and made no mentioning of FF XI even though it was one of the premier showings.  When asked about it, Square officials simply said "no comment".

Fifth,  Nihon Keizai Shimbun..

You guys do know who they are right? Well they are the same guys who ran the "Sega is developing for Sony" story. The first group to report that story. Noone believed them, but they turn out to be right and everyone else was wrong.

Anyway......

Those guys have recieved *confirmation* from Square officials that FF Online is indeed coming. The only reason why Square hasn\'t *announced* it yet is because they are under exclusive contract with Sony. Also, with the pending release of their biggest PS2 game FFX, it would be *idiotic* to steal some of the hype and thunder away.

One last note.....

Just because something is *not* official does not make it less real. I think it is actually *more* real than not. It is known fact that Sony has exclusivity towards Square\'s title, and rather obvious they are not allowing Square to say anything regarding their Xbox plans.

Frankly I do admit the possibility of FFXI comming to another console which might include X-Box. However Square has stated on several ocassions that it is not currently in development for anything other thn the PC.

Secondly they have it running on a 56k network, so whatever you meant about broadband being required seems unfounded. I don\'t see the necessity of a hard drive either (key word is necessity, obviously it would help but it is not neccessary).

Sony made the right move by switching from their broadband only strategy to a 56k/broadband solution. The fact of the matter is broadband is slow comming and it will probably not be in this generation when we see all the broadband deliverable games and entartainment content that Sony originally envisioned and now Microsoft is trying to attain.

It is cool to be a high skeptic, but sometimes being *too* jaded makes you...umm ignorant.

It\'s cool to be highly gullible, but... oh wait. That\'s not cool.

Yes that is exactly what I am saying.  Baldur\'s Gate a *top* PS2 franchise?  Since when?!!!  Twisted Metal has lost its touch since the 3rd incarnation.  The series took a nose dive.  Wipeout is not exactly the *main draw* of the PS2 either.  GT and MGS2 is, and not Wipeout.  I\'m not saying they are bad games.  Just that if the PS2 ever have to depend on those games alone, the system will simply not sell.

You have no idea.


In anycase welcome to the forums. Remember, have fun!