Ryu\'s GCN\\X-Box impressions

My impressions of the PS2 lanch didn\'t differ much from my impressions of the X-Box and GCN.  What pisses me off about the X-Box and GCN is that they have an oppurtunity to take all the extra time they had to make better games then Sony and they didn\'t.  We all know the Sony launch was a rush job beyond belief, but we can\'t say the same thing for the Cube or the X-Box.  Why, if all this extra dev time was taken, couldn\'t they beat the Sony lineup?  That\'s my main point here.  Each system has and had about 1-2 games worth owning and those were SSX, TTT, DOA3, and PGR.  Other than that, the rest of the titles just weren\'t my taste or they just plain sucked.

If a company has a whole extra year to make better games, then they should.  The graphics in Munch are unexcusable.  If Tecmo can take a year or two and produce a game as graphically impressive as DOA3, then I question why Oddworld couldn\'t take thier extra year and develop a game that takes advantage of the X-Box hardware.  This game looks no different then what we all saw a year ago running on PS2 hardware and that\'s sad especially when Oddworld Inhabitants dumped the PS2 for "better hardware."

Systems improve over time and the only system this generation that jumped out of the gate with great software from the very beginning was the Dreamcast.  My Dreamcast impressions fared better then all other impressions I have given to date.  Sould Calibur was amazing as was NFL2K and Sonic Adventure was very fast and great.  It\'s sad that that system was also the only one to fail beyond belief.

Of course, these are just my opinions though.  It\'s funny how DirectXbox writes off my opinion soleley because it bashes the X-Box.  I bashed the Cube as well and I bashed the PS2 launch just now.  Maybe I\'m just too damn jaded to give any opinions, but so far, the more legit "gamers" here are agreeing with me so you can take what you will from that.  Maybe we are ALL just biased gamers when we speak our minds.

I think you are being a little harsh, Ryu.  The devs didn\'t have an extra year as you put it.  In reality devs had about 6 months to work with final hardware.  I think what they\'ve done is pretty impressive.

What I know is that graphics and sounds are better than anything I have for my PS2.  I still tend to believe, from previews/reviews from NextGen, GI, and IGN that Halo will be the definitive shooter for a console.  DOA3 will be great.  Munch will dissappoint.  Not that I don\'t respect your impressions, but there has been nothing but praise for these two titles (epspecially) during a time when it is VERY easy to criticize the xbox by sources I have come to trust (not any individually, but as a unit).  

I do agree, Ryu, that a console FPS will never be what a PC FPS is--that is a given.  But instead of looking at it so obtusely, treat them for what they are, two different approaches to a genre.  I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.  There is something to be said about having your adversary in the same room.  I too like the big games, but they aren\'t as rosy as you make them out to be.  Lag, spammers, sore sports, unbalanced teams, complete a--holes all sour the online experience for me.  Not that I still don\'t enjoy playing, but there is something that is pure fun about 4 way split screen.  Let\'s not forget too, that many if not the majority of console players have never really played a decent FPS on the PC.

Also, the VAST minority of players ever go online in search of opponents.  Most people like the SP experience.  That is something that was no doubt discussed by Bungie--they could take the time and make it online (and risk a lack of online players) and apathy from their larger user base or wait until Halo 2 when a sizeable userbase might be able to support this.

Also, you say that we\'ve seen vehicles in tribes and T2--neither game really implemented them into their games well and neither was in the mass market or public eye.  This is the first chance that vehicles have been introduced into a tiight and balanced arena.

I must say, as I continue to wait with anticipation for Gamecube, your [Ryu\'s] comments on Wave Race hurt just a little bit.  Of course with its prequel still one of my favorite games, despite having been dismissed by (some) others as a piece of ****, I know that I\'m still set up for some enjoyment.

The fact that you were looking for three hours of non-stop rolling-a-ball-on-the-floor is kind of silly.  It\'s an arcade game and I very much look forward to playing it during my mornings before school or work.

Your sentiment on Luigi\'s Mansion strikes home a bit more, though.  It\'s probably my least anticipated of the five launch titles I\'m picking up.  It does seem repetitive but being so short it shouldn\'t really matter.  We\'ll see, I still hope to enjoy it, and in fact am sure that I will.  Just... for how long?

Anyway, as a vocal supporter of Superman 64, I know that no one else\'s opinion can show me how I will feel about any given game before hand.

I have to use my own judgment.  And so far it tells me that Gamecube will be worth the cash.  

Finally, as I read over this typical lestat post...

Originally posted by lestat
well there you have it nintendo fanboys.  
now will you kunts believe me?

i really dont care.. RYU...im glad youre not blind like the rest of the guys here....

...I wonder when the mods will get back from their vacation.

-Eik

Originally posted by lestat
amazing isnt it?
seems ryu felt the same way about the gamecube that both datamage and i felt when we saw it last week....

well there you have it nintendo fanboys..coming straight from ryu,  the one who\'s reviews are respected the most here...
now will you kunts believe me?

No one in that thread stated other-wise(regarding Luigi\'s Mansion and Wave Race only I presume). People just went off on you because you were being a major fanboy in there.

Oh, and it\'s spelled "****s". EDIT-you see, that\'s why it\'s edited out. C-unt.

Here\'s the bottom line for anyone who still cares about gameplay in games(me and 5 other people at these forums).

Originally Posted by Ryu

Nintendo has already shown me why the Cube is worth 200 bucks and all it took was Rogue Leader, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros.

I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.

That\'s a nice opinion you got there. How many units did that game sell again? Over 7 million wasn\'t it? I\'ll leave it at that.

Originally posted by Watchdog
I think you are being a little harsh, Ryu.  The devs didn\'t have an extra year as you put it.  In reality devs had about 6 months to work with final hardware.  I think what they\'ve done is pretty impressive.

But like Ryu said, DOA3 is the best looking fighter ever.  Why couldn\'t games like Munch use the graphical power of the Xbox too?  Lazy (or reletively stupid) developers is all I can think of.

Eiksirf,

...I wonder when the mods will get back from their vacation.

I\'ve been asking the same question for days.  Maybe they just don\'t come to the Console Debating forum anymore.


Goku, thanks for the spelling lesson, but you are making a big deal out of nothing.

Here\'s the bottom line for anyone who still cares about gameplay in games(me and 5 other people at these forums).

Nintendo has already shown me why the Cube is worth 200 bucks and all it took was Rogue Leader, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros.

By this you are implying that only Nintendo knows about gameplay. (or, only games on the NGC have good gameplay).  So you are saying that DMC doesn\'t have good gameplay?  Or GT3, or MGS2, or THPS3?  Dang, I wish I was one of those 5 other people who still cares about gameplay, but I, as well as the hundreds of other people on these forums, am stuck with this crappy PS2 and its crappy gameplay-less games. :rolleyes:  Come on Goku, don\'t act like a fanboy.

Here\'s the bottom line, the NGC has some great games, and it has some crappy games -- just like all other consoles.:eek:

Watchdog: I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.
Goku: That\'s a nice opinion you got there. How many units did that game sell again? Over 7 million wasn\'t it? I\'ll leave it at that.

Umm, Goku?  Are you sure you read that right?  Maybe you should look over what Watchdog said again.  He was saying it was a great game.

Originally posted by DirectXbox
Everyone knows Ryu is an Xbox hater, so his impressions are just that, HIS impressions.  Four credible sources have said that Halo is the best FPS ever and one (obviously biased) nobody on an internet forum says that he doesn\'t like it.  Gee, who am I to believe?

Ok, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just because he doesnt like it and other people do doesnt make him wrong, I would expect a post like this from you though, I got an idea, how about we wait and play the game ourselves so that we can all form our own opinion, but I do seriously doubt this is the best FPS ever

It\'s not fair to say why doesn\'t Munch look like DOA3 and it\'s a stupid comment at that.  I could ask the same question:  Why doesn\'t Double Dragon 4 (the 2d fighter) play as well as SF2?  Why doesn\'t [insert uninspired platformer here] play like Mario?

Different developers have different skills and different goals.  It just sounded like sour grapes to me (eg pissed that Lanning left for xbox).  It also is only fair to note that porting a project from one system to another is incredibly difficult especially if you keep the same time frame.  I could list dozens of titles that have either suffered tremendously or have been endlessly delayed and even after a delay the end product still shows the effects.

It\'s comments like that that make me take his review with a grain of salt and a wait and see attitude.  He may well be right, but for now I\'ll lean towards NextGen, IGN and the host of others that have done nothing but gush about DOA3 and Halo.  Like I said, Ryu may be right and all this we\'ve been reading about has been hype, but I for one can wait a couple more weeks to decide whether to burry or buy the xbox.

Originally posted by Goku


Oh, and it\'s spelled "****s". EDIT-you see, that\'s why it\'s edited out. C-unt.

 

i know how to spell it jack-ass...i spelled like that so that it wouldnt get edited...just like i spell fu(cking with a \' ( \'  instead of a \'c\' so winners like you could understand it and not have to try and decipher \'*******\'

:evil:

By this you are implying that only Nintendo knows about gameplay. (or, only games on the NGC have good gameplay). So you are saying that DMC doesn\'t have good gameplay? Or GT3, or MGS2, or THPS3? Dang, I wish I was one of those 5 other people who still cares about gameplay, but I, as well as the hundreds of other people on these forums, am stuck with this crappy PS2 and its crappy gameplay-less games.  Come on Goku, don\'t act like a fanboy.

Wow, way to bull-doze words into my mouth.

I\'m implying that gameplay MATTERS THE MOST. Atleast that\'s why I thought I was implying...And if you cared about gameplay, then this is the bottom line that he was trying to make(I think, can\'t read minds so could be wrong_). I think I worded it wrong. I never said Nintendo is better at gameplay than everyone else and if I did then I don\'t mean it that way. I was just saying, gameplay ownz. I\'m saying it now and that\'s what counts.

My god time flies when your engaged in this place...

Umm, Goku? Are you sure you read that right? Maybe you should look over what Watchdog said again. He was saying it was a great game.

No, he said.

I don\'t think anyone can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments.

In different words...

No one can argue that GE for the N64 offered some of the best gaming moments( which means it didn\'t have any... )

I think that makes it more clear. Even if I\'m wrong, he still made it confusing.

Originally posted by lestat


i know how to spell it jack-ass...i spelled like that so that it wouldnt get edited...just like i spell fu(cking with a \' ( \'  instead of a \'c\' so winners like you could understand it and not have to try and decipher \'*******\'

:evil:

Why do you always attack one part of my post every time?

Is it too hard for you to use the quotes proper or what?

Originally posted by Goku

Why do you always attack one part of my post every time?

Is it too hard for you to use the quotes proper or what?

no you fukk,  i just told you...i dont sit here and quote every single line of bullsh!t text  like you like to do....and then you wonder why time flies while youre engaged here...

no crap it flies...for the past 2 night,  this has been my stress reliever..i just come here to argue with your dumbass and the rest of the nintendo fanboys..and anyone else who fights with me....

i cant beLIEve its almost midnight..damnit...and i wanted to play silent hill 2...well im gone for the night...unless you can piss me off in your next reply,  ill save the hate for another night. :yawn:

Well, pulling a lestat, I\'ll only concentrate on one part of his post.

and then you wonder why time flies while youre engaged here...

Where the **** did I say that? Why are you so dumb?

READING COMPREHENSION. LEARN IT.

I never said "I wonder why time flies by blah blah blah", I said "My god time flies when your engaged in this place... ". I wasn\'t wondering about anything. Stop pulling **** from your ass.

I\'m not fighting with you, I\'m murdering you. That\'s why your not responding to my main arguments. Instead of debating me, you start with this "your a fanboy crap" which I am tired from proving wrong in every god damn thread.  


*yawns*

Your boring me now. Actually debating with you was more fun. I think I\'m getting tired of these flame wars that you always suck me into.

Ryu\'s going to get mad at me so I promise *this* is my last post in this thread.

Originally posted by Goku

I never said "I wonder why time flies by blah blah blah", I said "My god time flies when your engaged in this place... ". I wasn\'t wondering about anything. Stop pulling **** from your ass.

gosh your pathetic...i cant believe you quoted me on that one..thats how lost you are when you argue with me..

you know what?...im not even gonna waste my time...the audience must really be laughing by now at your last entry and at you.

Actually Ryu, on the contrary, I believe that both systems are being rushed, since they are racing eachother. PS2 was racing a struggling DC. They just wanted the extra $$$ from Christmas shoppers, just like Nintendo and MS are now, it is no different, except thry ARE very much racing the clock and eachother.


Eric Jacob