Soul or no Soul

Originally posted by Luke
man im sorry but i just totally disagree with EVERYTHING you said.

pretty selfish way ti live dont you think, everything here is made just for us? must make things real easy for you.



heres my thing, if there IS  a god. what makes you think that our minds can even comprehend what this "god" is?

he might love dogs for all you know, maybe he created dogs first and then made us to serve dogs and everything got screwy through the years?

oh right.... i forgot about the bible
:rolleyes:

ps. maybe its a SHE! and SHE loves dogs!

Luke, your pretty much right, but me, being a cathloic and all, I somewhat believe in god, somewhat, just not alot. If he is really there, or she for that matter, we will never know, not even past death. I never knew what to believe, but now i see it as religion is just a hoax. Although, i go to church and everything.


Edit:Quddus, you sound as if your trying to force the members of the forum to believe what you are saying. Bad idea, each person has thier own opipion, and is entitled to believe in whatever they want.

[Titan]

Originally posted by QuDDus


First of all I am no animal.

Oh yes you are. We are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. An ANIMAL of this earth. All things in the kindom animalia (sp) are ANIMALS or else we will be in a kingdom of our own. No offense, but I totally think that your posts are dumb. They are not backed up by any information. Animals aren\'t on this earth to serve man. Animals are here to serve a purpose and to live thier lives. Back when Homo Sapiens Sapiens lived with Homo Sapiens Neandertalis, they were like us. They were animals too. Did they serve us? No. It is believed that we kicked their @$$ in fighting. My point is that animals aren\'t here to serve humans. We are animals. If you like it or not, we are animals, just like dogs, cats, chimps, monkeys; we are like them. The only difference is that we have a more advanced body and brain. In fact, chimps are extremely related to us but I won\'t get into that. Just check out a chimp book. But to say a little about it, they share most of our genes. They can think just like us. They almost are us. They evolved with us when man was evolving with apes, chimps and stuff.
Koko the gorilla has the intelligence of a human. She can\'t speek but can read, write and other things man can do. The only thing she can\'t do is speak but she makes up for it with sign language.
QuDDus, your wrong about most of your posts. I\'m sorry, but your wrong. Argue with me all you want.

Originally posted by Titan


Oh yes you are. We are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. An ANIMAL of this earth. All things in the kindom animalia (sp) are ANIMALS or else we will be in a kingdom of our own. No offense, but I totally think that your posts are dumb. They are not backed up by any information. Animals aren\'t on this earth to serve man. Animals are here to serve a purpose and to live thier lives. Back when Homo Sapiens Sapiens lived with Homo Sapiens Neandertalis, they were like us. They were animals too. Did they serve us? No. It is believed that we kicked their @$$ in fighting. My point is that animals aren\'t here to serve humans. We are animals. If you like it or not, we are animals, just like dogs, cats, chimps, monkeys; we are like them. The only difference is that we have a more advanced body and brain. In fact, chimps are extremely related to us but I won\'t get into that. Just check out a chimp book. But to say a little about it, they share most of our genes. They can think just like us. They almost are us. They evolved with us when man was evolving with apes, chimps and stuff.
Koko the gorilla has the intelligence of a human. She can\'t speek but can read, write and other things man can do. The only thing she can\'t do is speak but she makes up for it with sign language.
QuDDus, your wrong about most of your posts. I\'m sorry, but your wrong. Argue with me all you want.

I won\'t argue you with you because that is just your wrong opinion. And your entiled to be wrong. That is your given rite to be 100% wrong.  You can love your dogs, cats, and cows. But as far as I go I believe in god the kjv BIBLE and god created these animals to serve humans.

A dog will never be equal to a man. No animal is equal to any human. This is are earth. It was created for us. Not for dogs. It sad that ppl would care more about a filty dog than they would a real human being.


And I am not a animal. I am not beastly. And I don\'t live in the wild nore do I lick myself clean. Nobody has to walk me.  I don\'t live in cages and I am not slaughtered for your survival. Nobody taimes me and forces to obey there command.

Originally posted by QuDDus



I won\'t argue you with you because that is just your wrong opinion.

your a jackass dude

Originally posted by Luke


your a jackass dude

WORD.  QuDDus, your opinion isn\'t the "right" opinion.  It is just another opinion.  There is no such thing as a right opinion.

Geez QuDDus, are you like a brainwashed extreme  fundamentalist or something? I\'ll take my "wrong" opinion over yours anyday.

There really should be a :puke: smiley here. It sure would come in handy in this case.

Originally posted by Samwise
Geez QuDDus, are you like a brainwashed extreme fundamentalist or something? I\'ll take my "wrong" opinion over yours anyday.

There really should be a smiley here. It sure would come in handy in this case.

No I just care more about human life than I do for any animals life. And this is not animal planet and they don\'t diserve to be treated like they are equal to us.  I just don\'t see how ppl can admit to caring more about a filthy animal than a living breathing human.

I just don\'t see how ppl can admit to caring more about a filthy animal than a living breathing human.

A living breathing human right? That isn\'t filthy? A superior human being. One that has the ability to hijack a plane and crash it into a building killing thousands of innocent people while killing himself. That\'s the kind of being you think is superior? Just because we have a more advanced brain and don\'t live in the jungle? Get over it man.

Give me a quote from your bible where it says we have souls and where it says that god made dogs to serve us. Don\'t tell me what you think, quote it.

/ dm /

No I just care more about human life than I do for any animals life. And this is not animal planet and they don\'t diserve to be treated like they are equal to us. I just don\'t see how ppl can admit to caring more about a filthy animal than a living breathing human.

I never said that I cared more about a dog or whatever, than a human being. I don\'t. But I think animals should be treated well anyway - just because we have bigger brains doesn\'t mean we have the right to mistreat them at our will.

You use the word \'filty animals\' a lot. Why not just \'animals\'? Is the filthy part really that necessary?

And I don\'t see how you cannot believe we\'re \'just\' animals. Sophisticated animals - yes - but still animals. Why is that a bad thing? It\'s just a label of all living things. What makes us so different?

You say you don\'t live in a cage - no you live in a house that was built because humans have bigger brains and a body that can make building of houses possible. But what else is different? Nothing.

We don\'t have fur - we have clothes.

We don\'t hunt for food - we buy it from someone who has slaugthered cows etc.

And the human genome differs with only a few percent to a chimpanzee\'s. Gee, we\'re sooooo different huh. :rolleyes:

Summa summarum: We\'re just like the rest of the animals. We\'re an \'deluxe-animal\' but that doesn\'t change anything. An ugly shovel is still a shovel compared to a nice shiny one.

[Titan]

QuDDus, you are an animal, like it or not. The only reason we don\'t live in cages is A) some other human created it, and there is not another advanced species to create one. If you eat, drink, sleep and reproduce, your an animal. We are the most advanced species on this earth because we are the newest species on this earth. Oh, and my other post wasn\'t my opinion, it was all fact. Us and chimps do share most of the same genes. Homo Sapiens Neandertalis did live and they were humans but less developed. That\'s why they died out. Like it or not, we are humans and animals weren\'t put on this earth to serve humans. Name one species that "serves" humans. I don\'t see them bringing us food on a platter. I see them living their lives and being this highly advanced animal (us) a companion. Parakeets, cats, dogs, and other pets are our companions, not our servants.

IMO,

I got a dog at home, but i don\'t think it has a soul;
an orangutan? maybe ... :eek:

Who discovered the "soul" anyway? right, maybe some doped up person wrote it somewhere...


If we believe we got a soul, then a dog has a soul, since "GOD" created the dog too.  

the only thing for certain we can say, dying is "wrong", someday people will wake up, and smell the coffee, and embrace extending their life by scientific means.

I think that the PS2 will win this generation. :thepimp:

I´m very tired of this kind of topics, I can´t change anyones belives or anything. Wait and see people. Soul?? Please!! The day we clone a human this topic dies, or are all religios people going to say stuff like: this doesnt prove anything!! Just because we can clone it doesnt mean that God doesnt exist!We  know that we said that God creates the soul but OK it was wrong Mankind can too, just like we said the earth was flat and not round!!

Originally posted by datamage


A living breathing human right? That isn\'t filthy? A superior human being. One that has the ability to hijack a plane and crash it into a building killing thousands of innocent people while killing himself. That\'s the kind of being you think is superior? Just because we have a more advanced brain and don\'t live in the jungle? Get over it man.

Give me a quote from your bible where it says we have souls and where it says that god made dogs to serve us. Don\'t tell me what you think, quote it.

/ dm /

If you read genesis you read the part where god says he has given man dominan over the earth and the things of the earth. And you will also see a part where god creates the animals and adam begins to name them.

Ok QuDDus, God did give us dominian over the animals.  But if we abuse those privilages, we will be punished.  If we go out and kill animals for fun and not for needed-food, we will be punished.  If we treat our pets like crap, yep, you guessed it, we will be punished.  God loves all of us, and he loves all the animals on the earth.  Animals are not put here for us to just push around and/or kill.  They were put here to help us in times of need, with comfort, or food.