Soul or no Soul

We breathe.
We digest.
We socialize.
We are made up of cells with centrioles, nuclei; lacking chloroplasts and cell walls.
We have brains.
We have lungs.
We have feet, we have hands.
We have hearts.
We follow basic animal instincts, such as the urge to reproduce, nurture our young (like many animals anyhow).

How are we not animals?

And why do you find it insulting to believe we are? The only difference is, we have a different physical makeup, and think on what we consider to be a higher level. Or is it even a higher level?

Originally posted by IronFist
Ok QuDDus, God did give us dominian over the animals.  But if we abuse those privilages, we will be punished.  If we go out and kill animals for fun and not for needed-food, we will be punished.  If we treat our pets like crap, yep, you guessed it, we will be punished.  God loves all of us, and he loves all the animals on the earth.  Animals are not put here for us to just push around and/or kill.  They were put here to help us in times of need, with comfort, or food.

You won\'t be punish for treating your pet like crap. I don\'t know how you have managed to think that up. YOu will get the same punish for treating your pet like crap as you would get for treating your car like crap.

Which is nothing. People matter not animals. This is our world not theres.

If you read genesis you read the part where god says he has given man dominan over the earth and the things of the earth. And you will also see a part where god creates the animals and adam begins to name them.

Sorry, if I wanted to read fiction, I\'ll pick up an Anne Rice novel.

Regardless, quote where it says that we have a soul. Where it specifically states that. People assume too much junk, just because their church tells them.

/ dm /

Originally posted by datamage


Sorry, if I wanted to read fiction, I\'ll pick up an Anne Rice novel.

Regardless, quote where it says that we have a soul. Where it specifically states that. People assume too much junk, just because their church tells them.

/ dm /

Why do you need a quote if you don\'t believe? Why do you care if you don\'t believe in god? So I guess you have no say so in this matter. Since it doesn\'t concern you.

oops, double post.  Read the next page.

Originally posted by QuDDus
You won\'t be punish for treating your pet like crap. I don\'t know how you have managed to think that up. YOu will get the same punish for treating your pet like crap as you would get for treating your car like crap.

Which is nothing. People matter not animals. This is our world not theres.

I\'m sorry you feel that way.

BTW QuDDus, what religion are you in?  I\'m not asking this so I can judge the people in your religion.  I\'m asking this so I can usderstand why your beliefs are the way they are.

I go to church once a week.  I am a professing Christian but I don\'t consider myself ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal one way or the other.

My take is that humans have souls, animals do not.  Humans are not animals because we are made in God\'s likeness.  Jesus died for the sins of humans, not for animals.

Just because we are humans and are the highest lifeforms on this planet (yesh it\'s true) does not give us the right to treat animals any way we want.  The same goes for everything else on this earth.  We are supposed to treat it the way God wants.  He created the earth and saw that is was good and wanted us to keep it that way.

But I am not God so keep in mind I don\'t know everything.  You may very well meet your pet again if you get to heaven.  I hope you guys do, Kirath & ddaryl.

There, an opinion of an educated and semi-conservative Christian.  So flame on!

datamage-  I\'m no Bible scholar so I had to do some research to find where it says that we have a soul in the good book.  It was tougher than i thought finding a verse but here is one-

Give ear and come to me;
  hear me, that your soul may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
  my faithful love promised to David.

-Isaiah 55:3  KJV

Originally posted by THX
I go to church once a week.  I am a professing Christian but I don\'t consider myself ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal one way or the other.

My take is that humans have souls, animals do not.  Humans are not animals because we are made in God\'s likeness.  Jesus died for the sins of humans, not for animals.

Just because we are humans and are the highest lifeforms on this planet (yesh it\'s true) does not give us the right to treat animals any way we want.  The same goes for everything else on this earth.  We are supposed to treat it the way God wants.  He created the earth and saw that is was good and wanted us to keep it that way.

But I am not God so keep in mind I don\'t know everything.  You may very well meet your pet again if you get to heaven.  I hope you guys do, Kirath & ddaryl.

There, an opinion of an educated and semi-conservative Christian.  So flame on!

datamage-  I\'m no Bible scholar so I had to do some research to find where it says that we have a soul in the good book.  It was tougher than i thought finding a verse but here is one-


-Isaiah 55:3  KJV

AMEN BROTHER. amen:thepimp:

And Ironfist I am a christian. i Believe in god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit and that jesus died for our sins. Cogic faith.


And I am not saying treat animals like crap. Don\'t misunderstand me because I am not saying that. I think you should at leat try to treat animals good. But If you do some how take your frustrations out on your dog, cat , or whatever. Don\'t go to pieces over it because it is not like you did something wrong too a human it\'s just an animal.

Must.....not......write.....opinion.......

Instead, I will address this statement:

I don\'t know why have been so affected by this, Im 23 years old I supposed to be older now.

Dude, there is NO shame in feeling loss and sadness over the loss of a friend, no matter what it is.  Hell, if you lost a STUFFED pet to say, an apartment fire, you are entitled to you own little process.  The important part is to not get caught up in something you can\'t change, and to try and remember all the GOOD things you did with yer best bud!

I feel ya, man.  I don\'t know how I will react when my dog now dies, and she is getting pretty old.

Sorry for yer loss.

See, what really inspired me to get into this was the whole "Dirty animals" concept.  Why is it so bad to be an animal; why does this thought make you flinch? An example of an animal that is most certainly not dirty; a house cat. It keeps itself clean, it is a small animal that rarely harms anything, it even relieves itself in a set location. In essence, it\'s no less clean than a human being, or at least considering its level of thought.

My take is that humans have souls, animals do not. Humans are not animals because we are made in God\'s likeness. Jesus died for the sins of humans, not for animals.

Obviously, God\'s creativity was stunted that day, if he did not intend for animals he created to not share many of his attributes. They have extraordinarily similar bodily systems; blood flows in the same manner, they breathe through the nostrils and mouth; they have the same organs; their cells have the same organelles; and so on. Perhaps, just perhaps, animals were partially created in God\'s image? Certain parts of this God must\'ve been included in them, correct?

The similarity between humans and most monkeys is remarkable, in fact. Almost hairier, shorter human beings, or in some cases, hairier and larger human beings. If humans were indeed created in the image of God, then wouldn\'t these animals with similar bodily makeups and similar appearances be at least partially made in the image of God as well?

Or are you talking outside of the physical realm, rendering this whole faction of my reply to this thread pointless?

[Titan]

I am an acting Catholic. But I do find some of the bible questionable. I to tell the truth don\'t really believe in the Adam and Eve story. How could they be the first humans if we evolved from common ancestors as monkeys, chimps and gorillas? It took millions of years to evolve to what we are today not days. I do believe that God created the heaven, Earth and the universe. I believe that he is the one responsible for evolution for organisms to evolve to what they are today. You have different beliefs and I respect that. But I do disagree with you that it is ok to take your frustration out on your pets. That is cruelty to animals. It is a law and you could get fined and imprisoned for hitting your animals. It is cruel and unjust and shouldn\'t be tolerated. I\'m not an animal rights activist but I do think that animals should be treated with respect.

Originally posted by Titan
I am an acting Catholic. But I do find some of the bible questionable. I to tell the truth don\'t really believe in the Adam and Eve story. How could they be the first humans if we evolved from common ancestors as monkeys, chimps and gorillas? It took millions of years to evolve to what we are today not days. I do believe that God created the heaven, Earth and the universe. I believe that he is the one responsible for evolution for organisms to evolve to what they are today. You have different beliefs and I respect that.

Aye.

One belief that makes sense to me is the belief that God created the universe, or essentially, the huge ball of matter that became the universe, and things took off from there. It explains the origin of the universe, with little to no conflicting with science discoveries made over the past few thousand years.

Although, at the same time, that\'s just one of any massive number of possibilities for how the universe began. But at least that particular belief doesn\'t disregard much in the way of scientific discoveries.

I am agnostic, just trying to find the most sensible belief system. So if I seem critical of something some of you say, that is exactly why: it doesn\'t make sense to me. In discussing this with you people, it helps to further mold my own beliefs.

I don\'t know if I should be mad or laughing my ass off at QuDDus\'s fanatical ranting, don\'t you people just love it when Christians are so blatent in their hipocracy that they go against the teachings of their religion just to \'defend\' it?  Now I don\'t know about you but when they tried to raise me as a Christian  they told me man was here to protect the Earth and everything on it, including animals.

You won\'t be punish for treating your pet like crap. I don\'t know how you have managed to think that up. YOu will get the same punish for treating your pet like crap as you would get for treating your car like crap.

I don\'t know who the hell you think you are but the poster of this topic asked a simple question, if a dear friend will be waiting in the end.  Now I don\'t care if you don\'t believe in it or not, but you are doing the equivalent of me running past a church with a flag that say\'s "F*ck Christianity".  I am a proud Atheist but I don\'t go around acting like a total jackass for hell\'s sake!  Are you so blinded by your faith that you disregard everybody elsed feelings and beliefe\'s as crap before you even look at them!?  I can only hope that people like you will open your eyes and see that it is you who spreads hate like a disease in this world, you who if given the power would make Hitler look like a common thug.

What will you do now, pray for me?  You go right on ahead and I will do the thinking for both of us.


(back to topic)
I am truely sorry that your pet has died.  I know from experience that it is a hard time for you to go through and that he/she will never be replaced.  The best thing to do is to just go on with your life and try to remain happy in the following weeks.

Originally posted by Lord of Darkness
I don\'t know if I should be mad or laughing my ass off at QuDDus\'s fanatical ranting, don\'t you people just love it when Christians are so blatent in their hipocracy that they go against the teachings of their religion just to \'defend\' it?  Now I don\'t know about you but when they tried to raise me as a Christian  they told me man was here to protect the Earth and everything on it, including animals.

 



I don\'t know who the hell you think you are but the poster of this topic asked a simple question, if a dear friend will be waiting in the end.  Now I don\'t care if you don\'t believe in it or not, but you are doing the equivalent of me running past a church with a flag that say\'s "F*ck Christianity".  I am a proud Atheist but I don\'t go around acting like a total jackass for hell\'s sake!  Are you so blinded by your faith that you disregard everybody elsed feelings and beliefe\'s as crap before you even look at them!?  I can only hope that people like you will open your eyes and see that it is you who spreads hate like a disease in this world, you who if given the power would make Hitler look like a common thug.

What will you do now, pray for me?  You go right on ahead and I will do the thinking for both of us.


(back to topic)
I am truely sorry that your pet has died.  I know from experience that it is a hard time for you to go through and that he/she will never be replaced.  The best thing to do is to just go on with your life and try to remain happy in the following weeks.

Your absolutely right. You are full of Bull:D

Originally posted by Titan
I am an acting Catholic. But I do find some of the bible questionable. I to tell the truth don\'t really believe in the Adam and Eve story. How could they be the first humans if we evolved from common ancestors as monkeys, chimps and gorillas? It took millions of years to evolve to what we are today not days. I do believe that God created the heaven, Earth and the universe. I believe that he is the one responsible for evolution for organisms to evolve to what they are today. You have different beliefs and I respect that. But I do disagree with you that it is ok to take your frustration out on your pets. That is cruelty to animals. It is a law and you could get fined and imprisoned for hitting your animals. It is cruel and unjust and shouldn\'t be tolerated. I\'m not an animal rights activist but I do think that animals should be treated with respect.

My child your are so misguided. YOu are not an animal nor did you evolve from some common animal. You need more self-esteem because you are making yourself out to be nothing but an animal and your far from a mere monkey. They may have simular builds but they are regarded as high as we are. They are nothing but aninals. Who\'s purpose in life is only what we see fit. Get up man and get some confidence your not some wild jungle animal. YOur a human being of the highest regard. Everything else just doesn\'t matter.

[Titan]

Ok, first of all, I ain\'t misguided. It is believed that we evolved with monkeys, chimps and apes. We are animals and if you don\'t believe me, we\'ll that\'s your problem. Second of all, I have self esteem. I have it and lots of it. So don\'t go making assumptions about me when you don\'t know me. We were in the wild years ago. Look in any book about early man. But our brains developed to what they are today. If there were no houses, we would still be what we had been living in 20,000 years ago, in the savanna in a fixed home base. Third of all, your making yourself look like an idiot. Everybody in this thread has been trying to tell you that. Your posts have been nothing but crap IMO.