Random Nintendo rant (I was bored, OK!?)

thanks MM, I have found that Nintendo\'s fans seem to be more and more crazy as the days go by.

I brought  up that many times over, Sega has innovated or changed something about a genre or hardware device. but he says that it doesn\'t matter, Nintendo has made more, althouh I named many more than he did, and even proved whysome of his points were laughable at best.

you are my hero, you lovable jackass


Eric Jacob

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? referred to "you are my hero, you lovable jackass "

i wasnt being sarcastic

neither was I, otherwise I would\'ve left out the "lovable" part,

Sega fans who know their **** are always cool by me. and you know your ****! People who don\'t like Sega because of their track record or for some reason, their games, are fricking retarded.


Eric Jacob

i agree

sega > everyone else, even sony

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip



Would you be speaking of...

• The later top-loading NES, because the original models was quick to die?
• The super-scope?
• The power glove?
• The tiny and very annoying camera buttons on the N64 controller?
• The vaporware CD-addon for the Super-NES, that Nintendo decided they would need, because of the SEGA-CD?
• The 64-DD?
• The VIrtual Boy?
• Nintendo using the cartridge format on the N64?

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Top loading NES was a good idea, just came too late.
Super Scope = awesome.
Power Glove = craptastic.
C Buttons - I had no problems with them, but they were an issue with others, admittedly.
SNES CD became the Playstation, more or less, so I wouldn\'t complain about that at all.
64DD was a good idea with horrible execution.  But that technology led to the GCN 64MB SD cards and SD Adaptor.  Just as functional, much cheaper and easier to apply.
Virtual Boy *shudder*  Another craptastic idea.  NoA wanted nothing of it, but NoJ forced them to market it here.  Bad mistake.
Cartridge format is definitely obsolete, for the time being, agreed.

You may focus on Nintendo\'s more questionable hardware, but you conveniently avoid mentioning the true innovations.  

For example, the D Pad, the Shoulder Triggers, the Analogue Stick, Force Feedback...

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I brought  up that many times over, Sega has innovated or changed something about a genre or hardware device. but he says that it doesn\'t matter, Nintendo has made more, althouh I named many more than he did, and even proved whysome of his points were laughable at best.

Eric Jacob

Oh my, hardly!  I have responded to just about every significant post you have made here.

Originally posted by mejilan


Top loading NES was a good idea, just came too late.
Super Scope = awesome.
Power Glove = craptastic.
C Buttons - I had no problems with them, but they were an issue with others, admittedly.
SNES CD became the Playstation, more or less, so I wouldn\'t complain about that at all.
64DD was a good idea with horrible execution.  But that technology led to the GCN 64MB SD cards and SD Adaptor.  Just as functional, much cheaper and easier to apply.
Virtual Boy *shudder*  Another craptastic idea.  NoA wanted nothing of it, but NoJ forced them to market it here.  Bad mistake.
Cartridge format is definitely obsolete, for the time being, agreed.

You may focus on Nintendo\'s more questionable hardware, but you conveniently avoid mentioning the true innovations.  

For example, the D Pad, the Shoulder Triggers, the Analogue Stick, Force Feedback...

The top loading NES should have been the first kind out, not the toaster oven, spring, loader.

Super Scope was a light gun with buttons on it, and enlarged times 5.

the C buttons are like the X-Box buttons, too small and too close together, whoever designed the N64 controller should be kicked in the face.

the SNES cd shows how Nintendo simply jumps on the bandwagon, which in this case would have been good, but they decided that partnering with another company = less money, they backed out.

D-Pad - Intellivision had shoulder buttons and a "d-pad" althoguh it was in the shape of a circle. Analog stick was on every major system before NES, basically. Force Feedback is good, but Sony incorporated it into the controller, while N64\'s was an add-on.


Nintendo is NOT innovative, they have thrown around some good ideas here and there, but that is what happens with a monopoly. I am just glad their kingdom is falling in around their heads.


Eric Jacob

damn, alteredbeast knows his stuff

bravo!

Nintendo is NOT innovative, they have thrown around some good ideas here and there, but that is what happens with a monopoly. I am just glad their kingdom is falling in around their heads.

Nintendo may or may not be innovative, that\'s debatable, especially with everything in gaming being an evolution of a previous idea, but at least the games are consistently fun (disclaimer: for me, and for the most part).

That is what matters, right?  ;]

But yea, Nintendo is not a monopoly.  They make the most cash on game software, but they haven\'t been anything close to a monopoly in over ten years.

And if your idea of a "kingdom falling in around their heads" is year after year of massive profit, then I\'m sure Nintendo can\'t wait to crumble.

-Eik

GRRRRR, eik!

stop making rational sense!

Hmmmm... Altered can put  up a decent argument, but he does not truly know his stuff MM, with all due respect.

First of all, Eik makes a great point.  *nods to Eik*  Nintendo has never been "falling" they are one of the few companies to pull massive and consistent profits year in and year out.

Yeah, we both agree that the top loading NES was the way to go, I believe it was top loading in Japan, from the beginning, right?

The SuperScope was the best of its kind at that time, that is undeniable.  It was fun, sporty, and functional.  (And if you have any doubts that it will kick ass in Super Smash Brothers Melee, then you and I will have true issues between us! )

The demise of the SNES CD Playstation is a much longer story than that, involving 3 parties actually, not just Nintendo and Sony.  You could easily find all of the info out there.  Perhaps the greatest reason that the deal fell through was because Sony\'s lawyers were trying to gain certain liberties over the add on that Nintendo was not willing to give them (and rightfully so, any SNES add on should be managed by Nintendo, not the manufacturer.)  As for your "jumping onto the bandwagon" argument, the fact that in the end they did not market a flawed CD Add On like Sega did means that for whatever reason, they wound up making the right choice in the end.

True the C Buttons of the N64 were very much like the crappy XBox buttons of today, but at least M$ has no excuse, the N64 was one generation ago.  And Miyamoto designed the N64 (and GCN) pads, unfortunately, where as the GCN pad was developed to be versatile and functional, the N64 pad was designed to work perfectly with one game, Super Mario 64.  On a minor and unrelated note:  I happily, had no issues with the closeness and small size of the buttons, but I do know that it was an issue with many, many others.

The D Pad was a Nintendo innovation.  Digital buttons in the shape of a circle do not make a D Pad.  The D Pad was obviously an evolution of the more flawed technologies of the earlier systems, but Nintendo was the first one to incorporate a universally comfortable and functional design, allowing easy access to all 8 compass directions without barely a movement of the finger.  The D Pad was probably the most significant contribution to gaming controls of the 80s.

Likewise was the N64 Analogue 3D Stick a similarly massive contribution to the 90s.  Yes, analogue control was around before that.  Your mouse is analogue, and some of those early systems also had forms of analogue control, mainly slippery, greasy, non-centering "thumb" circle thingies.  But again, Nintendo was the first one to take that technology, turn it into a pseudo-joystick format that not only was comfortable, but worked for the 3D world the way the D Pad worked for the 2D world.  Again, Nintendo changed the way we play games.  That\'s innovation, me friends.

The D Pad was a Nintendo innovation. Digital buttons in the shape of a circle do not make a D Pad. The D Pad was obviously an evolution of the more flawed technologies of the earlier systems, but Nintendo was the first one to incorporate a universally comfortable and functional design, allowing easy access to all 8 compass directions without barely a movement of the finger. The D Pad was probably the most significant contribution to gaming controls of the 80s.

That you are wrong about. I have owned many Intellivision systems, before NES. The NES, and every subsequent DPad I can think of, is 8-directional. The disc pad on the Intellivision controller was 16-directional (and the controller itself could be used either left or right handed, unlike NES). Nintendo not only did not innovate the DPad, they made it less functional. I still believe the INTV pad is the best one ever. And even after 15 years of using modern controllers, I can still easily use the Intellivision control.

And honestly, it doesn\'t matter whether it\'s a disc or a cross shape, it\'s still a digital pad. And Nintendo did not invent it. They didn\'t even IMPROVE on it until the advent of analog sticks over TEN YEARS LATER.

Also, Nintendo did not invent the Light Gun genre either. Light Gun games were among the first, and there were tons out in the 70\'s, before even the 2600. I remember the old Light Rifle game my uncle had from the late 70\'s.

yeah, what he said.

I knew I was right. circle on the INTV\'s pad made for no callouses or sores. The controller also had more buttons, but made them functional, unlike Atari Jaguar\'s button layout.


Eric Jacob