Random Nintendo rant (I was bored, OK!?)

...and all this started form me being a bit bored.........:rolleyes:

Great argument Mejilan; but,  You can\'t convince people to see when they won\'t open their eyes.

Mej, you make excellent points (since when don\'t you? ).

Anyways...

Weltall:
Also, Nintendo did not invent the Light Gun genre either. Light Gun games were among the first, and there were tons out in the 70\'s, before even the 2600. I remember the old Light Rifle game my uncle had from the late 70\'s.

Good point, but how many people could you ask about light guns, and them not mention Duck Hunt? I rest my case.

Originally posted by DoubleJ_86
Good point, but how many people could you ask about light guns, and them not mention Duck Hunt? I rest my case.

Just because the majority is ignorant doesn\'t mean their misinformation is true. Most people don\'t know that Magnavox marketed the first home gaming console years before Atari was even heard of. Just because most people never heard of the Magnavox Oddysey doesn\'t mean it never existed. And just because most people think Nintendo invented the light gun genre doesn\'t make it true. It just means most people are ignorant:)

Originally posted by mm
damn, alteredbeast knows his stuff

bravo!

LOL!!!   What ON EARTH are you babbling about.   AlteredBeast Does Not Know Jack Sh!t !!!  :rolleyes:   Quick Fact,  Without Nintendo there would be NO Playstation....

AlteredBeast,  you obviously would not know a Fresh Idea if it flew out of your ass, so you most certainly are not one to wax innovating ideas around here.    

Originally posted by Weltall
Also, Nintendo did not invent the Light Gun genre either. Light Gun games were among the first, and there were tons out in the 70\'s, before even the 2600. I remember the old Light Rifle game my uncle had from the late 70\'s.

I don\'t know about that.  You mentioning it reminded me of a story from David Sheff\'s Game Over.  Here\'s the passage I found which seems to indicate that Nintendo did invent light guns...

When (Gumpei) Yokoi saw the Sharp solar-cell battery, he envisioned a unique way to put it to use.  He and (Masayuki) Uemura experimented.  Large solar cells, about the size of a silver dollar, were being used to collect and convert light into electricity.  But a much smaller cell could be used as a sensor to detect light.  Yokoi\'s idea was to adapt the technology to a shooting game, using solar cells as targets.

Yokoi and Uemura worked on a light gun that could be produced cheaply enough for the consumer market.  The "bullet" would be a thin beam of light.  If the beam hit a tiny solar cell, the cell would either produce or cut off a charge, depending on the circuitry.  For instance, the electricity to a magnet could be turned off so that a spring-loaded target could be let loose-and a plastic bottle of beer, pieced together as if it were a puzzle, could be made to explode.  A lion could roar.  A stack of toy barrels could be blown apart.

Packed with light-triggered targets (the lion, the beer bottle, and the like), more than 1 million Nintendo Beam Gun games were sold for between 4,000 and 5,000 yen ($30 or so) in the early 1970s.

From there, Nintendo made light gun shooting galleries out of unused Japanese bowling allies, the first being Laser Clay Range in Kyoto in 1973.

In 1974, Wild Gunman was the first spin-off, playing on a 16-mm movie projector, showing "actual film footage of a \'homicidal maniac\' on a screen at the end of the alley."

-Eik

Lord Timothy...who the HELL are you?

You think I care about Playstation. If the system wasn\'t ever invented, Saturn would\'ve been more of a success, which would have made Dreamcast more of a success and so on. You think I CARE about Playstation?!?!

Also, I am undoubtedly right on everything I have said. When I post facts and other people say "I think" then I am right, not wrong. I don\'t really care what you think if it isn\'t fact, then you are wrong!



Eric Jacob

Weltall:
Just because the majority is ignorant doesn\'t mean their misinformation is true. Most people don\'t know that Magnavox marketed the first home gaming console years before Atari was even heard of. Just because most people never heard of the Magnavox Oddysey doesn\'t mean it never existed. And just because most people think Nintendo invented the light gun genre doesn\'t make it true. It just means most people are ignorant

I\'m not talking about who made the light gun first, I\'m talking about light guns in general. The game that made light guns popular (after the early 80\'s crash), was Duck Hunt. There was no other game that was more popular in that era, in terms of a game that actually used the light gun extensively. Nintendo was the one to do it. No one else was able to.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Lord Timothy...who the HELL are you?

You think I care about Playstation. If the system wasn\'t ever invented, Saturn would\'ve been more of a success, which would have made Dreamcast more of a success and so on. You think I CARE about Playstation?!?!

Also, I am undoubtedly right on everything I have said. When I post facts and other people say "I think" then I am right, not wrong. I don\'t really care what you think if it isn\'t fact, then you are wrong!



Eric Jacob

Ummm... I don\'t recall asking if you cared about Playstation.  You obviously seem as though You Prefer SEGA over anything else.  But your pathetic attempts to debunk Nintendo as anything less than Innovative, is just bleeding silly.    

Where does this immense hatred for Nintendo come from.... Did someone beat you over the head with a NES or something?

Oh, hey Tim, it seems as though it\'s absolutely useless to debate with these individuals (reminds of TXB).

You think I care about Playstation. If the system wasn\'t ever invented, Saturn would\'ve been more of a success, which would have made Dreamcast more of a success and so on.

Thus the true reason for you hating Sony is shown.

Just teasing Beasty. Just teasing.

/ dm /

DoubleJ - how could ANY other company make an impact on Lght Gun games when Nintendo illegally owns all of the market?!?!?

We are saying that Nintendo doesn\'t innovate, yet you are trying to argue that the point that Nintendo releases products at the right time, making them popular. We don\'t care...at all.

Lord Timothy - You said \'if it wasn\'t for Nintendo than Playstation wouldn\'t exist" so, yes, you brought up PSX. :rolleyes: I love when people say stupid crap like that. Back on BlastCity, a Sega board, whenever a fanboy would come in, some idiots would say something just like tha, only "Did Sonic the Hedgehog rape you or something?!?!?" Find a new way to be a dumbass, ok, that way is getting OLD.

BTW, look to some past posts where I defend Nintendo, thouroughly, I am not fanboy, it\'s called being logical. It is just that THIS time, I am on the other, much more logical side.

If you think Nintendo is sooooo innovative, name the ways they have been. And releasing a genre or peripheral and making it successful does NOT mean they are innovative, it means they are lucky or that they were just using their monopoly muscle.

Good luck.


Eric Jacob

Ummm... what color is the sky in yer world?

 You want me to post some more innovative things from Nintendo???  What, so you can offer your oh so clever negative comments?  Sure!...  why not

More innovative games

Mario Kart often copied, but never duplicated.

Mario Party I never would have imagined how fun a Video/boardgame could be... but they pulled it off.

Hell, Nintendo certainly did not invent 3-D gaming, but they certainly were the first company to make fantastic, fun, and brilliant playing 3-D games.

Here is another thing people fail to notice.  Nintendo can make a game for ALL ages!!!  Unfortunately, many gamers are so insecure that they don\'t even give games like Mario 64 a try because it looks to "kiddie".   I\'m sorry, but that was a fantastic game!  

Pikmin This is obviously Nintendo\'s newest innovative game, and like the others, it can be enjoyed by all.

Hardware?

How about small things like 4 controller ports from the get go.  That\'s right, Nintendo started that.  

How about the Gamecube controller?   Not only does it melt in your hands and not in your mouth, the buttons are shapped differently and uniquely.  Never again do I have to look down at the controller to be certain I am pressing the proper button.


There ya go Beasty Boy... do your worst... but when you are finished, How about you go ahead and explain to us who you think the Bastion of innovation is.  

Originally posted by Lord Timothy
Ummm... what color is the sky in yer world?

 You want me to post some more innovative things from Nintendo???  What, so you can offer your oh so clever negative comments?  Sure!...  why not

More innovative games

Mario Kart often copied, but never duplicated.

Mario Party I never would have imagined how fun a Video/boardgame could be... but they pulled it off.

Hell, Nintendo certainly did not invent 3-D gaming, but they certainly were the first company to make fantastic, fun, and brilliant playing 3-D games.

Here is another thing people fail to notice.  Nintendo can make a game for ALL ages!!!  Unfortunately, many gamers are so insecure that they don\'t even give games like Mario 64 a try because it looks to "kiddie".   I\'m sorry, but that was a fantastic game!  

Pikmin This is obviously Nintendo\'s newest innovative game, and like the others, it can be enjoyed by all.

Hardware?

How about small things like 4 controller ports from the get go.  That\'s right, Nintendo started that.  

How about the Gamecube controller?   Not only does it melt in your hands and not in your mouth, the buttons are shapped differently and uniquely.  Never again do I have to look down at the controller to be certain I am pressing the proper button.


There ya go Beasty Boy... do your worst... but when you are finished, How about you go ahead and explain to us who you think the Bastion of innovation is.  

Where do I start?

1. they made their Mario characters race...BRAVO!! That isn\'t innovation, that is merely playing old hat with new characters. I don\'t know if I should give you that one, or slap you.

2. a collection of mini-games?

3. opinion. I think they suck at 3D games, go figure.

4. so can Sega, so can EA, so can everyone. They MARKET and MAKE exclusively for kids, they add in a little non-sugar coated sweetness for the people who can stand it past that.

5. whats innovative about Pikmin? You can\'t say something and not give me a reason. Other wise I could say that I hate Nintendo because they rape children.

6. Atari had 4 controller ports back in the 80\'s.

7. your opinion, again. Having oversized buttons,t han small, oddly-placed buttons doesnt sound like having \'the right placement;

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So let\'s see, a bunch of opinions, and some...opinions. Good argument.

Sega is the all time innovator in software and hardware.

software - 3D fighting, 3D racing, strategy genre (copied by Warcraft, Starcraft,etc.), first racing game with moving vehicles, first with differing terrain, 3D glasses (which worked DAMN well might I add), Card game input, built in modem, add-on modem, internet play, etc.

are you still here?


Eric Jacob

AlteredBeast:
DoubleJ - how could ANY other company make an impact on Lght Gun games when Nintendo illegally owns all of the market?!?!?

Well, you really are stuck to this "legal" crap, aren\'t you? Are you a lawyer?

AlteredBeast:
We are saying that Nintendo doesn\'t innovate, yet you are trying to argue that the point that Nintendo releases products at the right time, making them popular. We don\'t care...at all.

Are you dense? You\'re missing the bloody point! No one was able to release the light gun and be successful -- except for Nintendo! They had to have done something right, no?

Why should I expect you to admit the truth that Nintendo is innovative. Your blind hatred for The N just shows that you are at the level of every othe fanboy of any console. Sure, Sega was innovative too. Even I can admit that. Why can\'t you say the same about Nintendo (when it\'s much more apparent here, than with Sega)?

AlteredBeast:
I love when people say stupid crap like that.

So, you of all people would know all about "saying stupid crap", correct?

AlteredBeast:
BTW, look to some past posts where I defend Nintendo, thouroughly, I am not fanboy, it\'s called being logical. It is just that THIS time, I am on the other, much more logical side.

Anything seems logical to you (so long it does not put down your precious Sega).

AlteredBeast:
If you think Nintendo is sooooo innovative, name the ways they have been. And releasing a genre or peripheral and making it successful does NOT mean they are innovative, it means they are lucky or that they were just using their monopoly muscle.

You call creating an entirely knew genre not innovated... :eek:

Dear, Lord... :eek: