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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2001, 05:11:46 PM »
bozco - you did and you know it. I don\'t think there is any other way to interpret your ramblings.

Ashford - good point again. Notice how only I am singled out amount the array of opinions? I don\'t have banning power, must be why.

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Bleem will prevent one from buying a PSX. Why bother when you can play it on a PC or DC(Bleemcast)? Bleem can play pirated games(if you thought it could not, you\'re in denial).


How was I supposed to know. I don\'t own a single copied game. Unlike most of you, I\'m not a hypocrite.

Ironfist - a 10:1 PSX ratio isn\'t realistic, I am afraid. and I would bet that 90% of the people that bought bleemcast! disks already owned a PSX, just wanted to play better looking games. Sega couldn\'t stop bleem! even if they tried. Did Sega stop piracy? no. It isn\'t a matter that Sega chose not to stop them, it is that Sega COULDN\'T stop them. I think that point is obvious. You guys weren\'t being fanboys, I neither implied, nor meant that. I meant you guys are nerds. The same sort of people that rally at the WTO summits, hold up signs against abortion (I am pro-life of course), etc. None of that crap matters. I KNOW I am a fanboy of Sega, but that doesn\'t mean I can\'t defend other companies and enjoy other companies games. You guys seem to think a game will suck if it is on X-Box, meanwhile ruling completely on PS2.

you guys are sad. mm, make me a mod. Or give me some special title. ;) :p


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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2001, 05:31:42 PM »
1st of all, lemme clear the air

mm = sega fanboy [if such a thing exists]

2nd of all, why all the attitude and hatred towards sega abd bleem?  what did it personally do to you guys?

if you had a DC, you would JUMP at the chance to play MGS or FF9 with FAR superior graphics with bleemcast

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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2001, 05:32:41 PM »
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Now who\'s being ignorant Eric?  What Bozco said was true.   Because Sega didn\'t stop Bleem, they were (knowingly) stealing sales from Sony.  I don\'t blaim them for not stopping them, but that doesn\'t mean they were not stealing.  And don\'t tell me that "This is Sega.  They allow that kind of stuff."  Because we all know that if it was the other way around, Sega would be the one unleashing the lawyers on Sony.




Thank you, thats what I meant, but he has to go ape **** on me, now here he comes saying that wasn\'t what I meant, since he would know in all even though I posted it

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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2001, 06:20:38 PM »
Bozco, read my reply to IronFist I already made. Now read your post directly above mine. Now look sad and say "d\'oh."

mm - nice ;)


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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2001, 06:49:01 PM »
It\'s funny to think that Sony would probably sue bleem! if they had put Sweet Tooth or the Ico main character without permission.

Unleash the lawyers!! Some thoughtless bastard has made a drawing of one of our characters!!


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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2001, 07:33:44 PM »
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How was I supposed to know. I don\'t own a single copied game. Unlike most of you, I\'m not a hypocrite.



Whoa! And you\'re not? Let\'s see, you said "Damn Sony for killing off Bleem coz it was cutting into their sales!"

Hypocrisy galore.

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You guys weren\'t being fanboys, I neither implied, nor meant that. I meant you guys are nerds. The same sort of people that rally at the WTO summits, hold up signs against abortion (I am pro-life of course), etc.


Let\'s see....coz my opinion is different from yours....you think I\'m some bleeding heart liberal. You know what? Your logic needs tweaking.

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None of that crap matters. I KNOW I am a fanboy of Sega, but that doesn\'t mean I can\'t defend other companies and enjoy other companies games. You guys seem to think a game will suck if it is on X-Box, meanwhile ruling completely on PS2.
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Uh...are you trying to paint yourself as a victim who lost an argument about his precious Bleem? Or some hero of non-PS2 consoles? Pathetic. Yes, you.

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You? A moderator? Dude....your sense of logic is a bit off base on this very thread you started. Look at this hypocrisy who\'ve typed up! And YOU want to be a moderator? You\'re the one nominating yourself? Your dillusional heroism about this Bleem and Sega and Xbox thing has gotten to your head. Do you dream of being a superstar before you go to bed too?

You need to step back away from the computer and go outside and tan that pale-as-catfish-belly-skin of yours, you nerd, and get a social life.
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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2001, 07:56:37 PM »
huh? A tan in Nebraska in November? Not bloody likely!

bleem! wasn\'t meant for piracy, the fact that it played copied games is the fault of Playstation game code, bleem! didn\'t write in their source code "If disk = copy or file = .ISO than gameplay = yes" They simply made an emulator that played Playstation emulator that played games.

What exactly did they steal? code? no. Me buying a PSX game, or playing one from my collection on bleem! for the better graphics is piracy? strange.

I never said "Damn Sony for killing off Bleem coz it was cutting into their sales!". If I did type anything like that (and I wouldn\'t say \'coz\' because I don\'t enjoy sounding thouroughly retarded), it was laced with so much sarcasm that anyone that interpreted it any other way missed the point, entirely. so that was hypocrisy.

Onto statement two:

"Let\'s see....coz my opinion is different from yours....you think I\'m some bleeding heart liberal. You know what? Your logic needs tweaking. "

I never said you guys were liberals. I said you were nerds, how ****ING hard is that for you to understand?

onto statement three:

"Uh...are you trying to paint yourself as a victim who lost an argument about his precious Bleem? Or some hero of non-PS2 consoles? Pathetic. Yes, you"

huh? I have at least 3 other people agreeing with me, yet I lost the argument? I don\'t get it. There isn\'t a win or lose in this thread, there is a competent and incompetent. Step into my office, you\'re ****ing fired.


Onto statement four, the funniest of all:

"You? A moderator? Dude....your sense of logic is a bit off base on this very thread you started. Look at this hypocrisy who\'ve typed up! And YOU want to be a moderator? You\'re the one nominating yourself? Your dillusional heroism about this Bleem and Sega and Xbox thing has gotten to your head. Do you dream of being a superstar before you go to bed too?

You need to step back away from the computer and go outside and tan that pale-as-catfish-belly-skin of yours, you nerd, and get a social life."

logic, interests, etc. Mean nothing in being a mod. I don\'t spam, nor have I ever outside of the joking realm. I rebutted all of your hypocrisy claims and in my mind, made you seem laughable at best. I have had PMs warning me about arguing with you, something about arguing with you is futile and like arguing to a brick wall, I should have listened. I have had many others nominate me before, if you REALLY care, look back on some of the old Off-Topic threads about MODs and stuff.

Sorry, I do get out. I play football tons, hang out with friends, go see movies, etc,etc,etc. notice how most of my posts revolve arguing with numbskulls such as yourself late at night? I have an active daylife, what the hell am I supposed to do during the day.

You\'re a ****ing geek.


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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2001, 08:08:59 PM »
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Ironfist - a 10:1 PSX ratio isn\'t realistic, I am afraid.

Wouldn\'t you agree with me when I say only the hardcore gamers (for the most part) buy Bleemcast games?  If so, than wouldn\'t it be likely that if the gamer bought a PSX instead of a Dreamcast and the Bleemcast games, they would buy a lot of games for the system?  That seems logical to me...
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and I would bet that 90% of the people that bought bleemcast! disks already owned a PSX, just wanted to play better looking games.

Sure, a lot of gamers owned a PSX before the Dreamcast came out.  But there were still a lot who didn\'t (those who were still bitter about the Saturns demise and were blinded by their loyalty to Sega).  I would say that about 40% of Bleemcasters already owned a PSX.

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Sega couldn\'t stop bleem! even if they tried. Did Sega stop piracy? no. It isn\'t a matter that Sega chose not to stop them, it is that Sega COULDN\'T stop them.

They couldn\'t stop Bleem, but they could stop bleem from being on the Dreamcast.  Correct me if I\'m wrong, but don\'t you have to have a lisence to make anything for a console? (games, memory cars, controllers, and yes, even Bleem)  Sega could have put an end to it, but like I said, I don\'t blame them for not.  They were going through some tough times and needed all the help they could get.

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I think that point is obvious. You guys weren\'t being fanboys, I neither implied, nor meant that. I meant you guys are nerds. The same sort of people that rally at the WTO summits, hold up signs against abortion (I am pro-life of course), etc. None of that crap matters.

Of course most of us support Sony.  If something bad happens to them, we care.  If someone is making money off of Sony\'s products, which in turn hurts Sony, we care.  Why, you may ask?  Because the more money Sony gets, the more money they have to spend on developing future systems and games.  At least that\'s my reason for being happy Bleem is dead.  I don\'t want to speak for everyone else because they might have their own reasons.

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I KNOW I am a fanboy of Sega, but that doesn\'t mean I can\'t defend other companies and enjoy other companies games.  You guys seem to think a game will suck if it is on X-Box, meanwhile ruling completely on PS2.

Don\'t generalize me into the Sony fanboy category (with that last sentence, you did).  I support the Xbox, NGC, and yes, even the Dreamcast as well as my PS2.  If I wasn\'t going on a "2 year vacation" next year (;)), I probably would have got an Xbox at launch.  But as of right now, it just isn\'t worth it to me.


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mm = sega fanboy [if such a thing exists]

We already knew that. ;)  That\'s why I said only the Sega fanboys are the ones who don\'t find anything wrong with Bleem.  But at least you aren\'t so big of a fanboy that you are blinded towards a good game on a different system.

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2nd of all, why all the attitude and hatred towards sega abd bleem? what did it personally do to you guys?

Like I said above, the more money Sony makes, the better the future products will be.  I don\'t hate Sega, but Bleem was raping Sony.

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if you had a DC, you would JUMP at the chance to play MGS or FF9 with FAR superior graphics with bleemcast

No I wouldn\'t, and no I didn\'t.  After playing through those games so many times already, even souped up graphics can\'t make them fun anymore.  That is another reason why I think mostly the people who don\'t own a PSX are the ones buying Bleemcast games.


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It\'s funny to think that Sony would probably sue bleem! if they had put Sweet Tooth or the Ico main character without permission.

Unleash the lawyers!! Some thoughtless bastard has made a drawing of one of our characters!!

Do you want to know what I think of that picture?  Well too bad, I\'m telling you anyways! :D  I think Bleem made that picture with Sonic crying for one reason -- to spark the hatred towards Sony in Sega lovers.  And IMO, it worked VERY well.  They could have used a Sony mascot, but it wouldn\'t have had the same effect.  Bleem was doing one last thing to hurt Sony.  It was like a kamikaze mission.


GmanJoe, no need to start personal attacks.  Lets try to keep this as a debate instead of an argument.
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2001, 08:11:13 PM »
bah, some people have no vocabulary and must resort to personal insults.
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2001, 09:35:59 PM »
thanks mm, this shall be my last post in this thread unless someone has anything interesting or consructive against what I say.

Ironfist:

"Wouldn\'t you agree with me when I say only the hardcore gamers (for the most part) buy Bleemcast games? If so, than wouldn\'t it be likely that if the gamer bought a PSX instead of a Dreamcast and the Bleemcast games, they would buy a lot of games for the system? That seems logical to me... "

I would agree that only hardcore would buy bleemcast disks. But hardcore people would\'ve already owned a PSX years before bleem! was even thought of, and would\'ve bought DC, purely on it\'s own stellar titles, much before bleem! was announced for it. Nobody bought a DC to play a couple PSX games in high Rez, nobody. that is flawed logic. Reread what you wrote, I think you will agree.

"Sure, a lot of gamers owned a PSX before the Dreamcast came out. But there were still a lot who didn\'t (those who were still bitter about the Saturns demise and were blinded by their loyalty to Sega). I would say that about 40% of Bleemcasters already owned a PSX. "

Everybody had a PSX. The only people I know who never had a PSX, yet are still hardcore are the ones who grew out of gaming, then decided it was time to return with the great console DC. In that case, it isn\'t like they were gonna say "gaming is good again, now let me buy an older console that is almost done" no, they would say "bleem! eh? I heard about a few good games on PSX, maybe now I will go buy them" This would cause games sales increase, while not affecting PSX hardware, as people weren\'t interested in the system.

"They couldn\'t stop Bleem, but they could stop bleem from being on the Dreamcast. Correct me if I\'m wrong, but don\'t you have to have a lisence to make anything for a console? (games, memory cars, controllers, and yes, even Bleem) Sega could have put an end to it, but like I said, I don\'t blame them for not. They were going through some tough times and needed all the help they could get. "

Ever seen a Nuby PSX memory card? that is unlicensed. You don\'t have to have a license, but unlicensed products aren\'t given any help, therefore may not work as well as a licensed accessory or game. Best Buy carries many unlicensed PSX, PS2, and DC accessories. Think Gameshark, not licensed, Codebreaker, not licensed. If it doesn\'t say, licensed by \'x\' company, it isn\'t. This is the same for bleem!, Sega couldn\'t do anything about it, and why would they try and waste their money and end up losing like with Gameshark, etc.? They are niche items and people usually only buy first party stuff anyway.


"Of course most of us support Sony. If something bad happens to them, we care. If someone is making money off of Sony\'s products, which in turn hurts Sony, we care. Why, you may ask? Because the more money Sony gets, the more money they have to spend on developing future systems and games. At least that\'s my reason for being happy Bleem is dead. I don\'t want to speak for everyone else because they might have their own reasons. "


an independent studio making low-rez, pixelated, jaggy games, work on DC will not affect Sony in any way, shape, or form. Sony probably lost more money hiring lawyers to repeatedly sue bleem! than they would\'ve if they let bleem! run it\'s small course. Now that is Poetic Justice! for every game that people bought to play on DC, Sony made money. Your reasons for njoying bleem!\'s death is jaded and skewed by lack of info. All I am suggesting is that they weren\'t doing anything wrong. Probably in a way helped Sony. I sure as hell wasn\'t going to buy a 4th PSX, but I got Gran Turismo 2 for bleem! And I will probably get MGS for bleem! since everyone raves about the game, I think it deserves another go at it, I didn\'t really enjoy it the first time, but I have to gear up for Headhunter when it arrives at my front door.

"Don\'t generalize me into the Sony fanboy category (with that last sentence, you did). I support the Xbox, NGC, and yes, even the Dreamcast as well as my PS2. If I wasn\'t going on a "2 year vacation" next year (), I probably would have got an Xbox at launch. But as of right now, it just isn\'t worth it to me."

I actually wasn\'t talking to anyone else but you and GmanJoe. You are a sony fanboy. it isn\'t really hard to admit it. It isn\'t even necessarily a bad thing, but you gotta be able to make reasonable opinions and argue on them without letting the bias thing get you. It is there, you may not notice it, but it is there. I catch myself praising stuff I don\'t like because it is Sega, only to realize sometimes the products are empty.

"Do you want to know what I think of that picture? Well too bad, I\'m telling you anyways!  I think Bleem made that picture with Sonic crying for one reason -- to spark the hatred towards Sony in Sega lovers. And IMO, it worked VERY well. They could have used a Sony mascot, but it wouldn\'t have had the same effect. Bleem was doing one last thing to hurt Sony. It was like a kamikaze mission."

I interpret it a different way. I see that kind of like, with bleem! dying and Sega going third party, a piece of videogames is dying. Or maybe Sonic realized the genuine talent these guys had and it sucks to see them go, hopefully they find work at another place, or maybe work on getting a decent Saturn emu for my PC dangit! It\'s gotta be able to be done! I wanna play PDS in hi-rez!!


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« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2001, 11:56:37 PM »
Well in my opinoin i think Bleem! was a pretty cool deal

i mean look at the difference - i mean how can you be happy that the PS2 can make graphics better with a little smoothed texture featured and yet overlook a software that you can buy and use to get even better results which MM has shown already

that seems hyprocrytical to me

if you ask me most people own more then one console - and most people own a DC and PSX and even if they dont sega will not make much if any money off of this software - the only people that would hurt would be sony and last i saw they arent hurting too bad from this software - i mean geez look how many psx/psones have been sold and are steal selling - if you ask me i dont think this hurt it at all

who knows maybe it brought more psx sales after all people play a few games supported with bleemcast and decide hey psx does have some good games and i want more - then they buy a psx to get more games - see thats a little less likely but quite possible situation

the only thing i dislike about the bleem! is the copied game support - which i believe is only supported on the pc version not the bleemcast version - also i dont even remember hearing anything about the support but am just going on what others have said

anyway thats all i have to say i guess :)

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« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2001, 05:24:57 AM »
I started the personal attacks? He called us "sad", "nerds "and "hypocrites" before I really got into the fray.

And if AlterteredBeast doesn\'t know the "liberals" are people that protest at abortion clinics and WTO Summits, then he\'s not one to argue with me if the things he says are over his head.

The fact is Bleem will prevent one from buying a PSX since it can play games on other consoles. And Sony does profit from the PSX hardware. It\'s not about making money - it\'s the principle. If you bought a soda for a $1 and the state tax was only 5% yet you were charged $1.15 total, wouldn\'t you say something about getting jipped 15 cents? It\'s not the money - it\'s the principle. You\'re no sucker, and Sony isn\'t one either. It makes no difference that a lot of people have PSX consoles either.

That is all I\'ve been trying to say here. You all keep saying that Sony is evil for trying to put a stop to Bleem and you can\'t seem to understand why they\'d do such a thing. I think you understand perfectly - yet you just refuse to listen or accept Sony\'s reason for stopping them.
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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2001, 06:18:49 AM »
people who protest at abortion clinics are liberals? :rolleyes: I don\'t think you know what you are talking about.

I didn\'t say Sony was evil for stopping bleem!, just that they used their muscle and money to squash a tiny company that was doing more good than bad. Bad Sony! Becoming NES Nintendo!


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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2001, 06:27:40 AM »
BWAH! I thought you meant the pro-choice people! Coz when you said WTO protesters, I immediately thought "He\'s a damn liberal!"

Anyway....well...I guess we agree to disagree.
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« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2001, 09:55:42 AM »
Well either way I think Bleem was bull**** and piracy, and I think sony had a right to stop it, and Altered Beast, are you getting a title because you bash people before you even think for 2 seconds

 

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