Super Smash Bros Melee is Overhyped Garbage.

I do not think this game is aweful (maybe saying "SSMB is overhyped garbage" was exagerating a little bit), but I still think that it is way over rated.  IMO, this game is not worthy of the 37 it got from Famitsu, or the 9.6 it got from IGN.  The only thing that really makes the gameplay better is the fact that the controller is actually good unlike the N64 controller.  I obviously need to spend more time with it, but from what I have seen (I\'ve played on all but 4 levels, and played with every character), it really isn\'t that big of a sequel.  But because this game is a completely different type of fighting game, I may be judging it based on things that I shouldn\'t be.  Does it matter that the characters don\'t have too many new moves?  I think it does, but SSB fans probably don\'t care.  I really don\'t understand the cult following of SSBM.

Originally posted by rastalant


Well........I think DOA3 is a great fighter I liked doa2 a lot.  It was one of the best fighters on ps2 and dc.    I think its hyprocity to get on doa3 with shallow while you people say nothing about that crap SSB:Melee.  I mean its overhyped, kiddy, and shallow thats my opinion.  You  say doa3 sucks, but SSB:Melee is great?  OOKAAAYYYY.  Thats my opinion about the situation.......  Btw, when is a "real" fighter coming out for gamecube?

I agree with Ryu on this one.  DOA3 is hyped by the developers to be the ultimate 3D fighting game -- trying to outclass other 3D fighters in every way but failing miserably.  SSBM on the other hand is 100% original, not trying to be something it\'s not.  It is actually meant to be a button smasher because that is the type of game it is.  What\'s DOA3\'s excuse?

Originally posted by IronFist
I do not think this game is aweful (maybe saying "SSMB is overhyped garbage" was exagerating a little bit), but I still think that it is way over rated.  IMO, this game is not worthy of the 37 it got from Famitsu, or the 9.6 it got from IGN.  The only thing that really makes the gameplay better is the fact that the controller is actually good unlike the N64 controller.  I obviously need to spend more time with it, but from what I have seen (I\'ve played on all but 4 levels, and played with every character), it really isn\'t that big of a sequel.  But because this game is a completely different type of fighting game, I may be judging it based on things that I shouldn\'t be.  Does it matter that the characters don\'t have too many new moves?  I think it does, but SSB fans probably don\'t care.  I really don\'t understand the cult following of SSBM.

I agree 110% ironfist.  The reason it proably got such a big following on n64 cause it was proably the best fighter on the system which isn\'t saying much.

Originally posted by rastalant


Well........I think DOA3 is a great fighter I liked doa2 a lot.  It was one of the best fighters on ps2 and dc.    I think its hyprocity to get on doa3 with shallow while you people say nothing about that crap SSB:Melee.  I mean its overhyped, kiddy, and shallow thats my opinion.  You  say doa3 sucks, but SSB:Melee is great?  OOKAAAYYYY.  Thats my opinion about the situation.......  Btw, when is a "real" fighter coming out for gamecube?

You don\'t understand what I\'m trying to say.  Ironfist pretty much nailed it on the head with his post in response to you, but I\'ll bring the facts home again.  DOA3 tries to be everything good that Tekken, VF, and SC is, but it fails in every possible way.  It\'s not the world\'s greatest 3D fighter and it\'s not even a good fighter in my opinion.  The difference between SSB:M and DOA3 though, which is what you seem to be misunderstanding, is that SSB:M is not trying to be everything, it\'s not trying to be the world\'s greatest fighter, and it definitely doesn\'t one-up any other 3D next-gen fighter today.  The purpose of the game is so people can quickly hop into 4-player battles and be able to master the game almost as soon as they learn the basics simply because it\'s just a mindless button masher.  It doesn\'t have any serious depth or any serious overtones.

It\'s an incredibly basic fighter that anyone can jump into quickly and start wailing away.  That\'s what it tries to be and that\'s what it pulls off nicely.  It\'s in a class all its own.  Still though, your main gripe is that it\'s "kiddy" so reasoning with you about something like this is like reasoning with Docwiz about anything.

Guilty Gear X is a bigger masher than DOA3, by far, that game, while beautiful, is boring. I just can\'t see any hardcore fighting fan play that when Garou: Mark of the Wolves just came out!


Eric Jacob

I just can\'t see any hardcore fighting fan play that when Garou: Mark of the Wolves just came out!

Why the hell do you think I changed my picture to Rock Howard?!  

I was actually gonna ask you about that.


Can you do that move in the instruction booklet of his that is like 10 buttons long? I would love to see it pulled off!

You couldn\'t beat my Butt () or Terry though


Eric Jacob

Yes, I can, it\'s called the Neo Deadly Rave.  Not at will though.  It\'s incredibly difficult and requires the maximum super bar.  It\'s incredibly flashy and takes off lots of damage, but overall, the damage it takes off isn\'t worth it.  A max Raging storm (or Raising storm) takes off about the same amount.  The only satisfaction it gives you is just in doing it once.  Afterwards, it\'s kinda pointless.  It\'s not worth all the effort really.

Bah.

I\'ve been playing Garou on my, err um, well nm. I\'ll probably go ahead and get the DC version anyhow. No loading right?

(on topic)

Why the animosity against SSMB? It\'s not supposed to contend against VF/Tekken/DOA/etc. It\'s more of a PowerStone type game.

And Ironfist, I think you need to spend some more time. While I agree that some backgrounds aren\'t too snazzy, the character models are nice.

Heh, if I understand you Data, me and you have been playing that game for a very long time through our hidden ways.  Oh, and there is no loading at all.

Heh, if I understand you Data, me and you have been playing that game for a very long time through our hidden ways. Oh, and there is no loading at all.

I think you understand me just fine. Though I would like to support SNK and actually own it for the DC. Now if only my six button Ascii pad would arrive... (damn buyrite - I know, they\'re horrible.)

Originally posted by Ryu


You don\'t understand what I\'m trying to say.  Ironfist pretty much nailed it on the head with his post in response to you, but I\'ll bring the facts home again.  DOA3 tries to be everything good that Tekken, VF, and SC is, but it fails in every possible way.  It\'s not the world\'s greatest 3D fighter and it\'s not even a good fighter in my opinion.  The difference between SSB:M and DOA3 though, which is what you seem to be misunderstanding, is that SSB:M is not trying to be everything, it\'s not trying to be the world\'s greatest fighter, and it definitely doesn\'t one-up any other 3D next-gen fighter today.  The purpose of the game is so people can quickly hop into 4-player battles and be able to master the game almost as soon as they learn the basics simply because it\'s just a mindless button masher.  It doesn\'t have any serious depth or any serious overtones.

It\'s an incredibly basic fighter that anyone can jump into quickly and start wailing away.  That\'s what it tries to be and that\'s what it pulls off nicely.  It\'s in a class all its own.  Still though, your main gripe is that it\'s "kiddy" so reasoning with you about something like this is like reasoning with Docwiz about anything.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh.........DOA3 is one of the best if not the best 3d fighters imo.  Plus all the rating were very high for it.  All reviewers said it was good so not everyone can be wrong.  As for SSB:M thats the problem its a mindless button masher with kiddy character, but from nintendo fans its praise a one of the best fighters.  I consider it crap and thats my opinion.  DOA3 is one of the best games I\'ve played in a long time, compared to the other ones(3d fighters) its opinion which one is the best.  There no doubt doa3 ranks a one of the best to me.

Originally posted by rastalant




Uhhhhhhhhhhh.........DOA3 is one of the best if not the best 3d fighters imo.  Plus all the rating were very high for it.  All reviewers said it was good so not everyone can be wrong.  As for SSB:M thats the problem its a mindless button masher with kiddy character, but from nintendo fans its praise a one of the best fighters.  I consider it crap and thats my opinion.  DOA3 is one of the best games I\'ve played in a long time, compared to the other ones(3d fighters) its opinion which one is the best.  There no doubt doa3 ranks a one of the best to me.

I can\'t stand DOA3 and for you to call SSB:M a button smasher is funny, thats all DOA3 is, that and cheap counters, and thats all you say about nintendo is that its kiddy, so you have no hope, once you get the kiddy bull**** out of your head I\'ll be able to debate with you about this

Yeah, you pirates, I had it on my PC too! But I will much rather play it on my DC with my DC to Saturn pad adaptor!


Eric Jacob

Bozco, it is painfully obvious that you have never played DOA3, so please don\'t rehash tired old arguments.

I\'ve not played SSBM, so I can\'t comment, but the N64 version was fun in a mindless sort of way.  I liked it.