Something I pondered...

[Titan]

You do know that the Catholic bible hasn\'t been updated since the death of Christ, right? Only the old testament has some controversial issues like creation. Your whole freaking bible contradicts itself. Another question, you say that anti catholic sites are ok for everyone to look at but when they look at anti mormon sites, its the biggest sin? What the hell is wrong with you? You never even look at anti mormon sites I bet. You always tell us to read your crap with an open mind but you don\'t even read ours with an open mind. Why the hell should we give a damn about what you say? Geez. Iron\'s posts actually make sense and are good arguements. Argueing with you is like arguing with a wall.

[Titan]

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
The Catholic religion is completely BS, don\'t get ME started. Of course, I have actual facts to back me up instead of anti-catholic sites designed to warp my opinions even further.
 

HA. You just admitted that Christianity is BS. It has already been said that mormons ARE CHRISTIANS. Catholics ARE CHRISTIAN but the ONLY difference really is they take the host and believe in Saints and the Pope. THATS IT. You just said that your religion is BS by saying that Catholicism is crap while catholicism=christians and mormons=christians. Nice job wise guy.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
good way of calling me back, I knew some idiot would have to do it.

Does Mormonism teach you to call people idiots?  

If you hadn\'t lost any value to your preaching here, you did just now.  And you plan to do missionary work?  Good luck, you\'ll need it.

[GmanJoe]

I called him a \'tard after he called me one first. So there!

I\'m the good guy here.

GmanJoe

Some non-Christian cult-rescue organizations have laballed Mormonism as a cult.

Well I guess it\'s a cult then;  An 11 million member cult.  On May 26th all 11 million of us are going to kill ourselves.  It will be the biggest mass suicide in history! :rolleyes:

Come on....you can\'t become gods like your Mormon religion says. That\'s what Lucifer wanted to be.

No no no, Lucifer wanted all the glory for saving every single one of God\'s children.  He wanted to be praised and loved by every one of us.  He was probably a little jealous of the love that Jesus was going to get.  Being a God was obviously the last thing on his mind because if he wanted to become a God he could have done it the "Mormon" way.

And DO ask your Elders if they believe that Jesus was married....three times. Please. Seek the truth.

Again, you as an outsider are claiming to know more than an insider.  Admittedly you knew about Quetzacoatl when I didn\'t, but that does not mean you know more about my church than I do.  If you did know more than I do, you wouldn\'t be using anti-Mormon sites in your arguments against me.  Read this: http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/jesus-married.htm

Don\'t put EVERYTHING on faith.

As I have already mentioned, I don\'t put everything on faith.  The Holy Ghost confirming to me the truthfulness of my beliefs is more proof than I will ever need.

Troglodyte

All other Christians believe that Christ is not going to live with us, but come and call the living believers to heaven. One interpretation can be found in a decent movie called "Left Behind." Where we don\'t really "see" Jesus, but all the Christians just suddenly dissapear.  Those who don\'t believe in Christ will be left behind to live on Earth for another 1000 years or something like that, then Satan will rise from Hell and dwell on Earth for a while, then there will be a great battle, and good will win over evil yet again, and by then the sun will explode or something. . . it\'s everyone\'s guess anyways.

Thanks for the reply Troglodyte.  I guess I\'ll post what our church believes about the Second Coming as well.

First we have all of the signs of the times.  The red moon, the lack of a rainbow for a whole year, famine, war, ect.  And then comes the war of Armageddon, where around a billion people will die.

I think that all Christian churches believe that (of course correct me if I\'m wrong).

Then comes the second coming.  Christ will appear in the sky dressed in red clothes.  Then the rapture will happen where the rightous will be lifted into the sky, followed by the destruction of all the wicked.  Now I think that after the destruction of the wicked, the rightous will go back down onto the earth with Christ and will continue living. (I know my church believes that we will continue living on this earth with Christ after the second coming, but I don\'t know exactly what the events for us are, if any, between when we are lifted into the sky and everyone else is destroyed, and the time when we are living on earth with Christ again.)  

The years 2000-3000 (again, off a little due to our calenders) are the final years of this earth as we know it.  During this time, Satan will be bound, or in other words, we will not have a desire or temptation to sin.  Christ will live with us on the earth and will be our King.  He will guide us in completing some required things for all mankind to have a chance at salvation (geneology being a prime example).  During that time, if you get really old, instead of dying you will be immediately translated.  At the end of this 1000 years, Satan will be released from his bounds and there will be a war between him and his troops, and Michael (Adam) and his troops.  Good will win over Evil and Satan and his followers will be cast out forever (to where, I\'m not quite sure. )  

Then the earth will become celestial.  I don\'t know if this means that the earth will become the Celestial Kingdom, or if it means it will just become immortal, or if it means something entirely different.  I learned about this a few years ago, and can\'t remember exactly what happens to the earth in the end.  I guess I\'ll go do some more research.

Hey Altered, feel free to add to what I\'ve said.

Titan:

Iron, you said that Christ\'s second coming would be 2000 years after his first coming. His second coming according to your religion was to the Aztecs. That was before 2000 years. Interesting huh? Christ was supposed to come in about the year 2000 but came before that (whenever the Aztechs lived but it was before the year 2000) And it is stated in the Catholic bible that Christ will come right before the apocolipse. That is the SECOND COMING. THE END OF THE WORLD IS THE SECOND COMING. Read the catholic bible. That is proof to me that your religion is BS.

I cannot, and need not, say any more than what I have already said.  My last post was more than sufficiant in responding to this argument.  I do not know anything else to say that would help my argument, so I\'m not even going to try.

Titan: (again)

Your whole freaking bible contradicts itself.

No it doesn\'t.

Another question, you say that anti catholic sites are ok for everyone to look at but when they look at anti mormon sites, its the biggest sin? What the hell is wrong with you?

Altered never said that anti-Catholic sites were ok to look at.  Go read his post again.  He said "I have actual facts to back me up instead of anti-catholic sites designed to warp my opinions even further."  He was referring to how GmanJoe used some anti-Mormon sites to try and make us Mormons look bad.

But I do not like where this is going.  This thread should not be about trying to prove other religions wrong.  Altered, if you want to defend our religous beliefs against false accusations, do it by posting truths about our religion instead of the problems with other religions.

Why the hell should we give a damn about what you say?

This thread is about different people\'s beliefs.  One would think that you would come into this thread with the intent of learning about different beliefs instead of just coming into this thread to try and prove other beliefs wrong.  That is why you should care about what Altered, as well as everyone else says.


***Note to everyone***
Lets put this namecalling and personal bashing to rest before this starts looking like a topic in the Console Debating forum. [wink emoticon goes here -- stupid pic limit!]

Wow, this thread is still going? Amazing.

These are the guys with the most sparetime:

User Posts
IronFist.............49
Troglodyte........41
Videoholic........40
luckee..............31
##RaCeR##....30
AlteredBeast....29
theomen..........28
GmanJoe..........27

Don\'t be so modest Samwise.  You should at least rank yourself for taking the time to count all of our posts.  Oh, and Racer would have so beaten me if he didn\'t bail out on the 10th page.

Ok, I admit it.  I have waaaay to much spare time on my hands.  I don\'t have school, work, a car, a girlfriend, and I am saving the money that I do have, so there really isn\'t much to do besides read my scriptures, play video games/watch TV, and surf the web.  Only a little more than a month until I turn in my mission papers!

[Titan]

Everyone seemed to have bailed out except Iron, me, Gman, Trog, and a couple others. Altered left because he knew he was losing

Dang, I guess I joined too late to share my christian beliefs. Iron Fist, i liked your long response. Very informative to people. Oh, and after the war between satan and God\'s armies, i believe satan and his minions get cast into a lake of fire for eternity.

sorry bout flying off of the handle. It is not my job to put others in their places, only to try and open other peoples\' minds. The LDS KJV Bible never contradicts itself, ever. Nor does the Book of Mormon, which actually supports the Bible, and vice versa.

What I should be saying is this:

being a mormon is nothing like being catholic, protestant, etc. Being catholic, etc. is like being a part of a group. the members of the group are encouraged to participate every week in worship. Priests, Ministers, etc. encourage group members to not smoke, drink, have premarital sex, etc. On a grand scale, most members do not. Members usually come to their respective churches on holidays and when they have a problem. They have faith in God, but only ask Him for help when they need it.

Being a mormon is an entire way of life. Members are encouraged to come every week for worship, and a vast majority do. Members are encouraged not to smoke, drink, etc. and a vast majority don\'t. Members are encouraged to pray twice a day, not only when they need it. The Holy Ghost is someone who can always be relied upon to guide us in our lives, no matter what. USA Members live healthy, active lives, on an average of 5 years longer than the rest of the world. We are unbound in our faith, whether it be through reading the scriptures or personal revelation. The faithful have knowledge that their chosen religion is the one true religion which may be the reason that we are the fastest growing church and have the second least amount of members leave the church (Satanism being the first). I cannot really tell you anything else.

GManJoe, I never said to read anti-catholic sites, I said they would only warp my opinions further. Of course there probably aren\'t half as many anti-catholic sites as anti-mormon sites. Yes,  I have read many anti-mormon sites, and most of the junk they put up there is completely untrue to the point where I personally know they are wrong.

It is really sad that you believe so much falsehoods about our church, but I don\'t believe anyone in here has given it half the chance, some, no chance at all.

I will not be posting in this topic anymore unless incited to do so.


Eric Jacob

Whether you people believe it or not, the bible gives people hope.  It\'s what I, like many others believe in.  It helps to believe when you die that there is a better place at the end of life.  I have accepted my religon because it helps me.  Whether you believe it to be a hoax or not is up to you.  I just find it horrible that you people insult the integrity of religon over a 22 page thread.

Originally posted by IronFist
Don\'t be so modest Samwise.  You should at least rank yourself for taking the time to count all of our posts.  Oh, and Racer would have so beaten me if he didn\'t bail out on the 10th page.

Actually, I didn\'t count them. You can get the info by clicking on the \'replies number\' in the forum overview screen.

[videoholic]

I got out when no one would tell me how the dinosaurs got onto the arc.  Then it was just too much to read to get back into this thing.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
being a mormon is nothing like being catholic, protestant, etc. Being catholic, etc. is like being a part of a group. the members of the group are encouraged to participate every week in worship. Priests, Ministers, etc. encourage group members to not smoke, drink, have premarital sex, etc. On a grand scale, most members do not. Members usually come to their respective churches on holidays and when they have a problem. They have faith in God, but only ask Him for help when they need it.

Being a mormon is an entire way of life. Members are encouraged to come every week for worship, and a vast majority do. Members are encouraged not to smoke, drink, etc. and a vast majority don\'t. Members are encouraged to pray twice a day, not only when they need it. The Holy Ghost is someone who can always be relied upon to guide us in our lives, no matter what. USA Members live healthy, active lives, on an average of 5 years longer than the rest of the world. We are unbound in our faith, whether it be through reading the scriptures or personal revelation. The faithful have knowledge that their chosen religion is the one true religion which may be the reason that we are the fastest growing church and have the second least amount of members leave the church (Satanism being the first). I cannot really tell you anything else.

Eric Jacob

First I would like to thank you for the non-bash post, and the calm rational you put into this quite intellegent post.  I\'m glad to see you\'re not a hard-ass 24/7.

No Christian church condones smoking, sex, etc.  If they do then they are not part of their respective convention, and not concidered a trrue Christian church.  The problem is that the church can preach the right stuff, but it\'s up to the members of the congregation to follow.  To be honest with you, I know about 7 Mormons personally, and 5 of them, as I can tell, "make mistakes" often.  Most Christians do, humans are born into sin, and temptations are everywhere, and most of us are not strong enough.

It\'s good to see that prayer is such an important part of Mormonism, but followers shouldn\'t have to feel like they have to meet a "twice a day" quota, not only pray when they "need to."  Prayer should come to us as does breathing, closer to a more consistant "unconsious" act.  I\'m sure the guideline your church sets is more for newcomers to the faith, and for children.  Once you are involved enough in your faith, you should want to spend more time in prayer.

I\'m not going to comment on statistics, quite honestly I have found throughout this thread that we should not be using them, because religion is not a statistical science, but a personal choice and decision, where statistical evidence holds no grounds because each individual case is radically different from the rest.

you people are scaring me.

You have taken religon WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of context.