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Offline fastson
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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2002, 04:09:26 AM »
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Now, I won\'t go asfar to say that PS2 indeed looks X times better than DC - but simply that it does look better. There is a difference and most noticable one too. Hovewer when I look at Xbox, a console that is also said to be noticably better and heaps easier to program for and two years newer too, I would expect to see a difference. But there isn\'t. That was my point further up.


Right.. Its impossible to say if a game looks "3x" better than another.. Its like saying my girlfriend looks 5x better than yours..
You get the idea.


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It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days. [/B]


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PS2 is all I hoped for and more. :)
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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2002, 04:18:02 AM »
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It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days.


I have a different opinion...J&D and MGS2 are far from being near to what Sony promised!

J&D is a good platformer...but nothing special for me...it\'s Mario64 with "Crash style" and bigger environments...it\'s like playing an interactive disney cartoon? No! Where are the advanced interactions?
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« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2002, 04:26:57 AM »
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Right.. Its impossible to say if a game looks "3x" better than another.. Its like saying my girlfriend looks 5x better than yours..
You get the idea.


I said that weeks ago(always thought) and I\'m glad you\'ve realized that now...


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It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days. [/B]
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Exacly..
PS2 is all I hoped for and more.


It\'s a matter of expectations...we should only try to respect other opinions...
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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2002, 04:27:33 AM »
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Originally posted by BizioEE


I have a different opinion...J&D and MGS2 are far from being near to what Sony promised!

J&D is a good platformer...but nothing special for me...it\'s Mario64 with "Crash style" and bigger environments...it\'s like playing an interactive disney cartoon? No! Where are the advanced interactions?


My mistake - I was just judging J&D on its graphical capabilities and that it looks like a playable disney cartoon. And MGS2 is far more than awesome - have you even played it (or completed it)? I do find it funny though, how you have to bring up gameplay in a graphics debate...

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« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2002, 04:32:55 AM »
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I said that weeks ago(always thought) and I\'m glad you\'ve realized that now...


Actually, as I said above - even if PS2 isn\'t 15x more powerful, it does have better graphics and graphics that I haven\'t seen on DC and probably never will. A console however that is said to be 3 to 5 times more powerful by not only Microsoft but from a developer (tecmo), I sure would hope to see a difference. Can you explain to me why I can\'t see any?

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« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2002, 04:36:42 AM »
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My mistake - I was just judging J&D on its graphical capabilities and that it looks like a playable disney cartoon. And MGS2 is far more than awesome - have you even played it (or completed it)? I do find it funny though, how you have to bring up gameplay in a graphics debate...


nope nope seven,you don\'t understand me...graphics,physics,animations,AI,collision-system are linked together...and what I want is an experience as you really feel into a disney cartoon,for example...I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...
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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2002, 04:40:07 AM »
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Actually, as I said above - even if PS2 isn\'t 15x more powerful, it does have better graphics and graphics that I haven\'t seen on DC and probably never will. A console however that is said to be 3 to 5 times more powerful by not only Microsoft but from a developer (tecmo), I sure would hope to see a difference. Can you explain to me why I can\'t see any?


(...I said you can\'t quantify how much consoleX is more powerful than consoleY judging and comparing games...)

and I see differences between the 2 consoles...
(even if I\'m still waiting for the X doesn\'t mean I didn\'t see Halo,DOA3 and Rallisport in action:) )
« Last Edit: March 12, 2002, 04:44:30 AM by BizioEE »
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« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2002, 04:51:36 AM »
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nope nope seven,you don\'t understand me...graphics,physics,animations,AI,collision-system are linked together...and what I want in an experience as you really feel into a disney cartoon,for example...I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...


I dont think any console this generation can make a "playable movie"
GScube 16 (16 paralleled connected EE\'s, 16 paralleled connected GS’s.. Sony has made GScube 64 aswell. (64 EE’s and 64 GS’s)) could make The Matrix type graphics at 60fps...
But thats a million dollar piece of hardware (almost)

Nap.. You\'ll have to do what’s on offer this generation..

MGS2 is like a playable PSX FMV IMO.. Very nice.
Completed it yet Bizio?
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« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2002, 05:02:23 AM »
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I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...


I suppose you haven\'t played MGS2 then...

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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2002, 05:35:20 AM »
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I suppose you haven\'t played MGS2 then...


I\'ve finished 5,6 times the demo...and I\'ve dicided to get MGS2...
...it\'s cool...but not even half of what I was waiting for...
...how the hell can I judge a game from the first level? It\'s enough for me to understand a lot of things:)
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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2002, 05:48:20 AM »
complete the game first - I think you\'ll see the PS2 from a different point then, and maybe even respect it a bit more.

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« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2002, 06:09:21 AM »
Sure I\'ll do it...
...seven,don\'t get me wrong...maybe I get a little bitter...but only when I see a common mindless "hate" against the XBox...and it\'s not good for this forum...

I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...

and please notice that only the "trolling" behaviour of some members and the total lack of intelligent and unbiased debate force me to be a little bitter!
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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2002, 06:40:36 AM »
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Sure I\'ll do it...
...seven,don\'t get me wrong...maybe I get a little bitter...but only when I see a common mindless "hate" against the XBox...and it\'s not good for this forum...


See the logo on top of the page? Apart from Big Log.. It says.. Hold on to something.. it says.. *clears eyes* :eek: PlayStation 2 Central.

You want Xbox ass lickin.. Please go to TXB..

I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...

Does not seem like you appreciate the PS2 for the games it has.. Infact you slam it every chance you get..
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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2002, 09:14:16 AM »
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Oh okay, well since PS2 supports it too - can\'t wait for that feature. I mean, hell yeah lucky me! Games now don\'t support it, but well, maybe in a few years every game will have it!!  
I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics.


I believe Halo does make some use of the HDTV support. Also, your statement, "I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics" is rather dumb considering games that take advantage of the HDTV support will graphically look better.

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Further down in your post, you said why most people (refering to the "casual gamer") won\'t buy a HDD - so why include it in the price? As I said above, you won\'t need to buy a HDD so don\'t add it. Fact is, PS2 + memory card is less expensive than a Xbox. Plain and simple.


I don\'t know what you paid for your PS2. But mine cost $300 and my XBox also cost $300. Yet my XBox came with a hard drive. So I dont quite understand your price arguments.

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Let me tell what I\'m impressed with. That a system that is in fact 2 years older can compete with a system that supposedly is 3 to 5x more powerful (Tecmo and Microsoft speak) and has graphics that are up to par. A system that not only is supposedly more powerful, but should also be a dream to program for since it uses DirectX and PC components which is already well known.


You can make an argument either way. I think it\'s rather impressive that the 1st generation XBox games are on par with the 2nd generation PS2 games.

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so you are still totally unaware of the fact that there are games out for PS2 right this moment that do infact support DTS surround 5.1 during gameplay? You really are a funny one.  


First off, just because you can hook up your DD receiver to your PS2, it doesn\'t mean that the PS2 takes advantage of the DD receiver\'s capabilities. Here is a quote from an XBox release statement "The PS2 proudly trumpets the fact that it supports Dolby Digital 5.1 sound, but what it doesn\'t say is that it only supports it during DVD movies and FMV sequences - not during gameplay. Nor does the GameCube support Dolby Digital 5.1 in gameplay."

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Well I can live with out that. I also wonder how much of those advantages really are necessary and how many people will make use of them? Downloading music? Sounds good, but I can do the same with a mixer and my hifi system -> with better quality and it\'s cheaper. I\'ll give you the updates and such for games (expandable cars etc), but I wonder how many games will utilize this. We\'ll see.


I didn\'t say anything about downloading music. I said you can load your music into the games. This proves to be very neat. For instance, you can load music from your CDs into a game like Project Gotham Racing and listen to that music while driving in the game. Just one small example of a HD advantage. I am sure we can all live without it. My point wasn\'t to say that you cannot live without it. My point was to name a HD advantage. I take it you once again missed that.

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As I already tried to point out: your specs prove nothing at all. Thank gods todays game developers aren\'t that stupid. Nice try though.. have any other arguements?


First off, they aren\'t my specs. They are the consoles specs. The specs show the limits of the system. Knowledgeable developers can push a system to it\'s limits. My point is that the XBox leaves room for a little bit more pushing.

I am growing tired of this argument. You\'re obviously a hard nosed PS2 lover. I like both systems. I prefer my XBox. The whole point of every post I have made under this thread was to say why I prefer my XBox. You seem to have taken my preference for whatever reason personally. And that, my friend, is sad.

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« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2002, 10:09:46 AM »
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See the logo on top of the page? Apart from Big Log.. It says.. Hold on to something.. it says.. *clears eyes* :eek: PlayStation 2 Central.

You want Xbox ass lickin.. Please go to TXB..

I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...

Does not seem like you appreciate the PS2 for the games it has.. Infact you slam it every chance you get..


PSX2CENTRAL does not mean CENTRALofPS2fanboys&trolls...is it clear?
« Last Edit: March 12, 2002, 10:38:53 AM by BizioEE »
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