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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2002, 08:31:28 AM »
Greatest fighter ever or button masher? Both?

Yeah, since fighters aren\'t my favorite, I am talking like a street walker who is there for the scenery and was definitely expecting a purdy face. I\'ll try it out regardless and see for myself.


And Rikku, I know it must be hard for a MS lackey to understand but I\'m used to seeing PS2 games in action that look better than the pre-release screen captures.

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2002, 08:39:14 AM »
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I\'m really sceptical on this...I\'d like to see a game which shows me that...and not waiting other 2 years for other hypothetical untapped power...


Why? Its pretty logical.
Software is optimise-able, Hardware is unchangeable.

When time goes by there might be a new effects that can be done in software on PS2 but is impossible to do on Xbox/GC because they have their effects coded into the hardware.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2002, 08:55:43 AM »
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Why? Its pretty logical.
Software is optimise-able, Hardware is unchangeable.

When time goes by there might be a new effects that can be done in software on PS2 but is impossible to do on Xbox/GC because they have their effects coded into the hardware.


Software is optimise-able but you\'re limited to the overall power you have...the pixel-shaders of the NV2a are program-able and run a lot faster than the Vus of PS2...the EE is not the magic you think.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2002, 08:59:09 AM »
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Software is optimise-able but you\'re limited to the overall power you have.


Uh.. Yes ofcourse.
Not like PS2 is to weak to handle those things.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2002, 09:12:03 AM »
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Uh.. Yes ofcourse.
Not like PS2 is to weak to handle those things.


only time will tell...when GCN and XBox will show their real beauty...
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2002, 09:19:01 AM »
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only time will tell...when GCN and XBox will show their real beauty...


I sense a certain hostility towards PS2 whenever you talk about it.. Why this?
If you dont like it? Why not sell it?

You Bizio.. The unbiased man.. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2002, 09:27:52 AM »
I am kind a dissapointed that VF4 doesn\'t live up to the hype in terms of graphics, but then, that was expected as it is

1. a port and
2. AM2s first attempt on a new console.

Newer libraries, talented developers - what ever. It still doesn\'t change the fact that the PS2 forces developers to rethink their ways and makes it even for the talented developers a challenge. Just look at what Namco did in just about 4 months with Tekken Tag (Japan) and how they enhanced it in another few months to what it looked like in the US and PAL version.

As to Fast\'s reasoning: I agree with him completely. People fail to realise what the PS2 (and the EE in mind) were designed for. As BizioEE already pointed out numerous times before; the EE does support less effects than a standard GeForce 1 card - but that doesn\'t limit its potential at all, since the PS2 was made to do those effects that other consoles already have implemented in hardware through software. I think Fast got his point across very clear - it\'s just too bad that it\'s always the same people who have problems accepting the obvious.

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Software is optimise-able but you\'re limited to the overall power you have...the pixel-shaders of the NV2a are program-able and run a lot faster than the Vus of PS2...the EE is not the magic you think.


I would be very interested to hear your explenation to why the NV2 pixelshaders run faster than the VUs of the PS2 - especially since both work so different and I wouldn\'t know how to even compare them. But who knows, I\'m sure Bizio has an excellent knowledge in this field and I have no doubts in my mind that he can\'t wait to back his statement up so that we can all follow his logic and see the light. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2002, 10:56:23 AM »
Where are you guys getting this port stuff from?

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2002, 11:12:34 AM »
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Where are you guys getting this port stuff from?


Duh.. Its a well known fact that Virtua Fighter 4 was posted from the Naomi 2 arcade board.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2002, 11:16:24 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2002, 11:51:00 AM »
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I would be very interested to hear your explenation to why the NV2 pixelshaders run faster than the VUs of the PS2 - especially since both work so different and I wouldn\'t know how to even compare them. But who knows, I\'m sure Bizio has an excellent knowledge in this field and I have no doubts in my mind that he can\'t wait to back his statement up so that we can all follow his logic and see the light.


funny...when you are good only to paste and copy BS:)

well...me,you and most of people here are not talented dev...but me and most of members,at least,don\'t paste and copy BS things taken from arstecnica...

Dev on PS2\'re trying with the vector units to perform pixel shader effects (reflective/refractive bump-mapping, depth sprites,etc) but it takes a huge hit in performance!  PS2 has a lot of games,is a great machine for most of gamers...so why you care so much about the graphics capabilities of PS2? even AM2 now understand how much PS2 is inadequate...
...and even if they had spent more time...I don\'t think VF4\'d have looked much better!

However,back to the topic...wasn\'t you one of the few who said VF4 looks better than DOA3 ?
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2002, 11:58:51 AM »
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even AM2 now understand how much PS2 is inadequate...
...and even if they had spent more time...I don\'t think VF4\'d have looked much better!


:rolleyes:

Did you see those Tekken 4, SC2 screens I posted?
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2002, 12:03:17 PM »
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:rolleyes:

Did you see those Tekken 4, SC2 screens I posted?


Yes...SC looks really good...but I hate seven!:)

he said:"IMHO...VF4 looks better than DOA3"...and now"I am kind a dissapointed that VF4 doesn\'t live up to the hype in terms of graphics"...

I still remember when I talked about the fact that PS2 had to be 15x the DC...and he said to me..."if you can\'t back up to this crap shut up..."....then Dr Yassam showed him the links and he replied:"well...yes...PS2 could be 15x the DC..." and then he started his raving...

he\'s a joke...that\'s why I hate him:)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2002, 12:09:35 PM by BizioEE »
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2002, 12:05:55 PM »
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funny...when you are good only to paste and copy BS

well...me,you and most of people here are not talented dev...but me and most of members,at least,don\'t paste and copy BS things taken from arstecnica...


I do hope you can back this up...

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Dev on PS2\'re trying with the vector units to perform pixel shader effects (reflective/refractive bump-mapping, depth sprites,etc) but it takes a huge hit in performance! PS2 has a lot of games,is a great machine for most of gamers...so why you care so much about the graphics capabilities of PS2? even AM2 now understand how much PS2 is inadequate...
...and even if they had spent more time...I don\'t think VF4\'d have looked much better!


Just as I thought - no solid prove or backup what so ever that would prove your above statement to be correct.

You make it sound as if everything that is done hardware == no hit in performance. It\'s strange, am I the only one that thought Xbox could do Anti-Aliasing in hardware? Must be my imagination, because from what I\'ve seen, none of the games have proper AA there?! Maybe you can explain... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2002, 12:09:51 PM »
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However,back to the topic...wasn\'t you one of the few who said VF4 looks better than DOA3 ?


The artstyle in VF4 practicly rapes DoA3. And the characters in VF4 look better than those in DoA3, IMO.
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