Rallisport Challenge on XBOX

Xbox hardware does outclass any console of this generation--just look at almost any port or any game that is on all three systems. Fact of the matter is that they are comparable because they are the same price. I don\'t compare xbox to GC because GC is $100.

The market has deemed that xbox, GC (if you subtract the dvd abilities) and PS2 are on par, competing products to the consumer. That makes them comparable.

But beyond that mm and I aren\'t debating console specs, we\'re debating "great game" criteria and that is where the double standard is.

Hum, no, I don\'t think so. Correct me if I\'m wrong, but this debate between you and mm did start by us discussing the blur issue of Rallisport - so in that sense, you guys were argueing graphics (blur) and double standards as in finding the blur "horrendous" in Xbox games, but being excused in PS2 games - did you not?

You guys have a double standard and that\'s a fact. This game would not get this kind of treatment if it were a PS2. And no, mm, you don\'t do this to all consoles. I haven\'t ever heard you bring up any PS2 game for it\'s graphical problems. It\'s a double standard, and that\'s it.

You quoted this just a tad bit further up. Obviously you are on about graphics, so may I ask you again, why is it wrong for us, to expect more from Xbox games in a graphical sense - as it is clearly the upper hardware following your logic?

Or do you want us to look at every Xbox game and say like in this example: "mmh, Rallisport has blur, but PS2 games have much more and it\'s everywhere, so therefore Rallisport looks good even with blur because it still has less than any racer on PS2". Of course, obviously leaving out the fact that the Xbox game should look better as it is, following your logic, clearly the "superiour" hardware.

Funny, you and almost every Xbox owner out there wants us to believe how "superiour" the Xbox hardware is, but as soon as it comes that someone points out graphical issues in a game - you guys insist on us comparing them to PS2 games, thus putting them on the same level again.
Make up your mind - either keep believing that Xbox is "superiour" and let us have those higher expectations - or we decide to believe that they\'re equal in terms of hardware and then we can compare them under the same circumstances.

So much for "double standards" isn\'t it, Watchdog?

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the blur is rallisport is attrocious and renders it unplayable for me
you dont see the blur? you dont mind the blur? you thinks its there on purpose? thats fine, run with that. i wont. my standards are higher
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As high as GTA3 for PS2?  That\'s not high at all.  Yet this is somehow passable to you.

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Medal Of Honor Frontline
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But aren\'t you going blind from the inconsistent 30fps?  What about the same gameplay that we\'ve played for years?  What about uninspiring AI?  What about bland BLURRY textures?  What about how much better this game is on the PC?

This clearly isn\'t an A+ game--c\'mon!

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Originally posted by Watchdog

This clearly isn\'t an A+ game--c\'mon!

Yes it is..

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Originally posted by Watchdog
I hope you mean blur not blue...anyway.

I see what you are referring to, but it\'s not a limitation.  You are the only one that has a problem with that--it\'s never been mentioned in a review anywhere.  In fact, RSC has been said to have some of the best graphics to date.

Yet you\'re not impressed...

I know it\'s fashionable to pick on the xbox and tear down every  good game in this place, so this kind of stuff is expected, I suppose.

I had that game when I owned an Xbox and the graphics are amazing. No racing game equals RSC graphically but just like WWF Raw and UFC Tapout (which I played) the game makes you think that something is missing. i.e. shallow gameplay.

Originally posted by seven


You quoted this just a tad bit further up. Obviously you are on about graphics, so may I ask you again, why is it wrong for us, to expect more from Xbox games in a graphical sense - as it is clearly the upper hardware following your logic?

Or do you want us to look at every Xbox game and say like in this example: "mmh, Rallisport has blur, but PS2 games have much more and it\'s everywhere, so therefore Rallisport looks good even with blur because it still has less than any racer on PS2". Of course, obviously leaving out the fact that the Xbox game should look better as it is, following your logic, clearly the "superiour" hardware.

Funny, you and almost every Xbox owner out there wants us to believe how "superiour" the Xbox hardware is, but as soon as it comes that someone points out graphical issues in a game - you guys insist on us comparing them to PS2 games, thus putting them on the same level again.
Make up your mind - either keep believing that Xbox is "superiour" and let us have those higher expectations - or we decide to believe that they\'re equal in terms of hardware and then we can compare them under the same circumstances.

So much for "double standards" isn\'t it, Watchdog?

Not too disrespect you, but everyone knows xbox has the better technology. But you can\'t compare all games. Some developers work hard on software, and others don\'t.

makes you think that something is missing. i.e. shallow gameplay.

there\'s the words im looking for

watchdog, you turned into a graphics tart, havent you?
tsk tsk

most xbox games are creampuffs
less cream, more puff
if ya know what i mean
kinda like watchdogs debates, hmmmmm

watch, why when i knock a xbox game, yer quick to throw a PS2 game in my face?  i dont understand yer crusade.

again, raise yer expectations

I have never said RC is the cream of racers.  I say it\'s a graphical landmark.  I will say RC is lots of fun with 4-way split screen though.  The graphics are some of the very best of this generation--that\'s our point of contention.

Say what you will about my debates, but you\'ve been avoiding the question.  I don\'t throw PS2 games in your face to bash them, btw.

no, but you DO compare them to xbox titles
which i dont

I compare them to xbox games ONLY when someone is bashing a game for well known PS2 graphical problems (jaggies, etc).

I don\'t start threads to do it.  I don\'t go out of my way.  I never bring it up.  If people are being unfair towards an xbox game, I\'m more than fair with a PS2.  All\'s fair...

again, since when did you become the m$ crusader?

i find it amusing you can compare against games on a console two years older as a retort.  

1st you try to deny any such blur,  slowdown, gameplay shortcomings in xbox games

when that process fails and you cant prove otherwise, you immediately go to plan 2

insult a common PS2 game as a shield

:rolleyes:

regardless, nothing you say or do will convince me to lower my standards for a brand new next-gen console, aka "teh PS2 killah"

and every killer app (jgrf, gunvalkryie, hunter: the reckoning) will continue to fall very short of the hype

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I\'m not a MS crusader.

If the PS2 was getting the treatment the xbox does, I would be defending that too.  I just want to talk games, but that can\'t happen here...yet.

I have often posted short comings for xbox games here.

I NEVER trash PS2 games for its own sake.  I bring it up to clarify some wayward thinking around here.

And there is nothing wrong with comparing the two consoles--they cost the same, their games cost the same, the parent companies acknowledge the comparison and don\'t try to down play it.  N does, so we can leave them out if you\'d like.

You still haven\'t answered my question:  Why do you not trash PS2 games that are crap when compared to other PS2 games?  This fits into your rigid parameters.  You do it for xbox, why is the PS2 exempt?

errrr, because noone creates PS2 game topics in here?

:nerd:

check the thread in MAIN about timesplitters 2
look at what my 1st question was

whats that hissing sound?
sound like air.....escaping out of a bag......
perhaps........

Talking about blurriness.. This is how a port of GT3 would look like :eyemouth:



Mind.. its only a joke.. So don’t get a heart attack Xbox fanboys.