Game Cube = Brain Washing!

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Is anybody else having as much trouble figuring out what moovingstereo is saying as I am?

Just FYI, The cost of a game doesnt actually come down to how much plastic is contained in the disc.  It\'d be maybe 2cents difference.

Hey mooving.. imagine if you bought a car that when you plugged it into your television... COULD PLAY DVD\'s!!!  :eek:  OMFG YOU\'D BE IN HEAVEN!

GameCube = Plays games and plays them well.  Cheapest console.
PS2 = Plays games and DVD\'s, however the DVD quality is bottom of the line.
XBox = Plays games, buy a remote control for $20 and it plays DVD\'s with high quality.

Quality of the games aside (youre obviously not concerned with that.. just what you get for your $$$) which is the best value?  Personally I think they are all equal value just judging by that comparison.

It\'s funny, someone as cheap as you make yourself out to be should love GameCube.

 my van has a dvd in it OMG :nut: cant wait to plug it in. for $49.00 more get a real system now who is cheap  lol:laughing:

It doesn\'t completely nulify the GC, it just doesn\'t give me a compelling reason to get one.  There will be enough similar games with more mature themes on the PS2 or xbox to keep me sated.

Metroid looks like just another FPS.  But like I\'ve said previously, if it turns out to be something different/great, then I\'ll pick up a GC.

There are a lot of games that are going to be great for the PS2 and xbox that will have me busy enough.  So while Star Fox may not be exactly like Crimson Skies, it\'s close enough, and it CS is aimed at a demographic that is more appealing to me.  I don\'t want to be in control of a cute little fox, when given the preference, I\'ll take realism and grit every time.

I won\'t buy both Shinobi and NG.  Right now I\'m leaning towards Shinobi.  They will be similar enough for me.  There are at least a dozen other games that have me excited enough be able to justify this decision.  Different experiences they may be, but similar in many ways.

GNC is not that cheap for what it offers, the games are still the same price as the new Xbox and PS2 games ranging from $49.99 dollars.

It sounds like you are taking this from a computer software standpoint.  Computer software, which varies greatly from program to program, comes with a lot more depending on what you buy.  For example, Photoshop is roughly $200 dollars retail, OfficeXP is $250, and 3DSMax is about $500.  The difference with each program is the amount of work that goes into it.

What you fail to realize is that the amount of work that goes into games is irrelevant when it comes to price.

Metal Gear Solid 2 was 3-4 years in development and cost $50.
Eternal Darkness was 4 years in development and cost $50.
Ocarina of Time was 3 years in development and cost $50.
Halo: Combat Evolved was 3 years in development and cost $50.

See my point yet?  Also, the media that a game comes on makes little difference to the consumer.  The difference could be 3 cents, but even then, in the overall price, the consomer will not see that difference on their reciept as most games are priced around  44.99~49.99 anyways.  A MiniDisc to a CD to a DVD to a GDRom makes no difference to the consumer.  Why people still trip off the fact that some new PS2 games are only on a cd still bothers me somewhat because the amount of data on the disk makes no difference in comparison to what that data actually is and the data, not the amount of data, is what you pay for.

would you buy a car that has four wheels and motor for more than a car that has the same opptions.

Either you don\'t understand how the computer\\game industry works or you just can\'t make proper analogies.  Here, I\'ll make one for you that even you can understand:

Lets say you buy a car and all it is is a shell, a few seats, a dashboard, and an engine.  That\'s what you pay for when you buy at the lowest end of the barrel.  When you buy extras, those extras will still cost the same no matter what type of car you drive.  A Sony car CD player won\'t cost any more then $100 if it\'s in a Lexus, or BMW, or Honda, or a Cadillac, which you seem to love so much, unless the CD player were to come with a 5-disc CD changer, or an extended warranty.  The CD player will always be the same price, no matter what car you put it in, understand?  Lets take this anology one step further and suppose you wanted some music for that CD player and went to whatever hick store you visit and bought 6 music CD\'s.  I can guarantee you that no CD, unless it\'s some type of special edition, will not cost anymore then another comparitive CD.  The same is true for games unless the game comes with say a headset or maybe a new controller.  Understand?

I don\'t know how I can make it any simpler.  If you don\'t understand the difference and just shut up, then you really have some serious mental issues.  If you don\'t understand that insult, then here\'s a diagram that I\'m sure even you can understand:

again i reiterate(sp?) what was said earlier

Ryu = Teh smart

the games are still the same price as  the new Xbox and PS2 games ranging from $49.99 dollars.

They sure are.  You forgot to have a point there...

I have played the GNC and to be honest the disc cant cost that much to make there is less plastic used a 3\' in disc verses a 4 and 3/4 in disc and the graphics look the some  if you ask me.

And you suppose the biggest expense in creating software is paying for the plastic?  As a matter of fact, the cost is almost identical.  The only difference is a small licensing fee for third parties who buy the discs from Nintendo.  But this fee is nothing next to what it used to charge developers.

On the other hand, I think you forgot to have a point here, too.

I will give them credit on the memory card it is cheaper $19.99 but i like realism in a game not so cartoonish..

Yea, other memory cards are overpriced.  Hell, I still think $20 is too much.  Of course, there\'s no point to that statement either, but wait!  What\'s this?  You\'re not satisfied with the GCN library?  Well there you go, you might be a little misinformed as to what\'s out there, but nonetheless here\'s you reason for not wanting a GCN.  That statement  at least has a point to it.

And speaking of not having a point, you start talking about cars next...

Then your problem is that Nintendo gipped you on a DVD player.  How could they let that happen, you wonder.  I\'ll tell you, to keep the cost of the system down and cut losses when it comes to selling the hardware.  It\'s what helps Nintendo position its system more easily as the cheapest on the market.

Nintendo tries to soften the blow to people like you who question the decision by saying they want to focus on games, but really, they wanted to focus on saving money.

If you\'re looking for a DVD player, then you won\'t find it on GCN, so you can look else where.  If you\'re looking for good games ( how 1980s of us :rolleyes: ), though...

if you asked me not everyone has money to throw in the wind if the games are the same  price it will go down... that is the way i feel about the GNC

So a $50 pricepoint for games is bad for GCN but just fine for Xbox and PS2?  That makes as little sense now as when you first said it.

So the point is you "Don\'t know enough games you\'d like to buy, and you like your consoles to have a DVD player, big motor, air-conditioning, and a Sony logo."

One sentence.  Your opinion.

All the other crap?

Crap.

-Eik

well you figure out the savings both ways hmmmm $49.00 less for a game system and the software is still same price hmmm.. ive saved forty dollars. next summer i will buy a fan and save $500.00 dollars on an airconditioner it blows air too [/ ive said all i can say.. the heat from having this debate has brain washed  me  i better go buy a cube

it boils down to heated debate need to cool off under airconditioner before it breaks down and i have to buy a fan too

Now you\'ve forced me to quote myself.

Originally posted by Ryu
Now you\'ve forced me to quote myself.

 

well name calling wont change my mind into buying a G cube i guess that is the best you can do

Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
well name calling wont change my mind into buying a G cube i guess that is the best you can do

Are we suppose to be persuading you to buy a GC?

Game Cube = Brain Washing!

Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
Game Cube = Brain Washing!

Gamecube = Videogame Console

Is this suppose to go somewhere?

mind you, I haven\'t read most of this thread

No one is forcing you to buy one.  It\'s just you\'re so growsly misinformed about gaming consoles in general that I have to call you an idiot, especially since people have been trying to explain to you (for 3 pages mind you) just how everything works.  It\'s fine you don\'t like the games, that\'s a very legit reason, one that I have not debated with you, but your others reasons are flawed and weak and because of those reasons, I rip on you.  Besides that, I\'ve already tried reasoning with you once and it got me nowhere except you pretty much reposting your own stupidity and now I will call it as I see it.  Reasoning with you is about as pointless as a fireman rushing into a burning building dressed in nylon.

***Edit: In case anyone was wondering, this is the e-mail I got from this moron.  Read it and laugh.

you say im an idiot but you take things out of context and call me an IDIOT .. freind i got a few choice words for you maybe you will under stand? this is a debate about consoles and i was trying to make a point of how the game cube is not that much cheaper than a another one that does more and has 50X the amount of games in my state ment so do youre home work answer this question 1  how many games does game cube got .... now question 2 ..how much do they cost . Question 3..  you have allready answered this one what does it do question that is all for the cube and NOW ANSWER THIS FREIND QUESTION 1 HOWMANY GAMES ARE FOR PLAYSTAYTION AND PLAYSTAYTION 2 QUESTION 2..HOW MUCH DOES IT COST QUESTION 3 YOU HAVE ANSWERED THIS ONE ALL READY WHAT DOES IT DO QUESTION 4 WHO IS THE    )))IDOIT((((

The number of games matter not if 90% of those games aren\'t worth your time.  Unless of course, you enjoy Army Men and Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen games.

Good for you Ginks, my brain is trying to escape through my left ear. Golly.

Good for you Ginks, my brain is trying to escape through my left ear. Golly.

I\'ve found that packaging tape works quite well to prevent this from happening...

Anyway, judging from Ryu\'s e-mail he received it\'s not worth reading...

On the other hand, it is fun provoking and poking fun at the noobs...goes to find a big stick

...bothers me somewhat because the amount of data on the disk makes no difference in comparison to what that data actually is and the data, not the amount of data, is what you pay for.

FIRST POINT
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Well, well, well.... lt seems Nintendo is REALLY getting to you son, isn’t it...yeah...

 Firstly lets get some facts straight... Since the evolution of Nintendo, such REDICULOUS statements have been thrown back and forth. The fact kop the matter is, how much data on a disk  DOES matter!! (BIG TIME!!)

I think your confused with the N64 (and lets face it guys, history repeats!)  The N64 in its \'hay day\' wasn’t exactly the most BEEFY data containers was it? lets see... hmm... you could download a ROM version of Mario 64 off the net (not that id waste my time with crappy Nintendo...but word on the street and all..) that’s about the size of 2mb. On the other hand psx games were hundreds of mbs.... why is that?
OH hang on!  cause they had full motion video!  ...what’s that called?...its called a feature that Nintendo failed to meet and thus failed their fan base!  many games took advantage of this on the pxs and Nintendo could not meet it (what’s new!)

But im sure when pxs had that feature all the Nintendo fan boys said something like "We don’t need that crapy full motion video, we have a pure games machine!..yay!!!"  (pathetic!...LOL!!!)

Now what’s happened?...Nintendo have full motion video in their games! Talk about follow the leader..ha ha ha



SECOND POINT
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Lets examine another short coming in Nintendo’s attempt of dominating the gaming market. Probably the most important factor, that even Nintendo heads have mentioned,...the games.

How many games a system can support is of VITAL importance!! I know ps2 supports a backward compatible software component. Thus, allowing for its customers to indulge in 2 generations of gaming pleasure.
..Can Nintendo do this?..well im sure a few Nintendo fan boys are so freakin\' brain washed they\'ve already tried ramming a n64 cartridge into their Game cube ...LOL!!!! (PATHETIC!!!)

Haha... im falling off my chair now laughing at imaging it.
NINTENDO FAN BOY: "Mommy this wont get into my pure gaming machine" (fan boy repeadely raming n64 catridge into game cube disk holder)

MOMMY: "Thats right fan boy, casue its for pure gaming!"

HAHahjahahahaaaaa.........

CONCLUSION
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The moral of this story is this; Nintendo trys hard to follow in the foot steps of is far superior competitors. Even after bringing a system out after the other guys, they still cant compete. The amount of titles available for the ps2 console/DVD player is astronomical!  Nintendo can not, nor will meet such demands that their fan bas puts upon them. "Why?"...(I hear you ask). Because they can get away with it. Pure and simple reason guys!... Your brain washed!   Actually the next console they will be bring out will be called \'LA-BOT-A-ME" ...LOL!!!!!! HAHAHAHahahahaha
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MUGhahhahhhhahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

As for who ever keeps going on about their \'pure gaming system\' cr@p. Well listen here: X-box2 is coming out with an set top digital transmitter to allow for the introduction of standardization of digital TV.. Im sure Nintendo fan boys will say its cr@p, then Nintendo will bring one out!@  hahahahaha... (this is toooo SAD!!!)

P.S  Hey Big Daddy! ..feel free to join in on our little debate!!