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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2002, 01:42:11 PM »
Well, about that whole Civil War thing, well, if you\'re proclaiming that the Union attacking the South was a bad thing, well, it really wasn\'t. If you aren\'t saying it\'s a bad thing, then...why did it even get brung up?

If the South and North would have split and created their own separate countries, it was just going to lead to a war anyway. Fighting over territories to the West, goods, trading, etc. Other European countries, say, Britan or France, would see the weakness of the Two separate countries, and who knows, maybe even make a move to take the two countries over. Each side has their own advantages, disadvantages, and so forth, so a separated country just would have been bad period. Basically, it just wasn\'t going to stay that way.

I find this quite interesting that this in fact ISN\'T a "Lets bash America" Topic, becuase from the Naked Eye, that\'s exactly what it looks like. It almost seems as if nothing that we do could ever be right in the eyes of the Left Wing.

Then again, I agree whole-heartedly with Tony about Bush and 9/11. Bush and the Republicans have used 9/11 to push their own political ideals, and in turn, **** with peoples\' emotions. Just a couple days ago, Bush got his Homeland Security Bill passed, which creates another Cabinet position. What will this succeed in doing, I\'m not sure, but it can\'t be good for the freedom of the individual citizen.

The problem is, even if we wanted this to change, the Two-Party system is so deadlocked over everything, that anything that could ever get passed takes months and years, and probably won\'t even be agreed on anyway. It sucks.

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« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2002, 01:53:23 PM »
Its all about territory, the Civil War. That is the #1.......hell its the reason for war. We are just like animals. Most animals fight for territory. This all goes back to our primitive times when they fought for certain pieces of territory. Humans will never learn. War i guess is a way of life.
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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2002, 02:19:20 PM »
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I don\'t even know of a time where the government treated people like second class citizens. Thats all I\'m saying. Do you know of a time?
The first thing that comes to mind is the 60\'s when the Supreme Court said that segregation was constitutional and legal.
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We are part of a global trade organization. I find it funny that most our stuff is made in other countries. Hell, our flags are made in China. I have one that is shotty work and my grandma gave it to me not long after 9/11 and I think it says Made In China on it. What countries do we control over the economy? I\'m really wondering.
The fact that most of our stuff is made in other countries should further solidify in your mind the power we have over most other countries economies. We are the largest consumer nation in the world. If we decided to suddenly stop trading with China or Korea, who do you think would suffer more? Not the US. China would be in a world of shit economically.
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Gohan, I never said that the US was a utopia. There are its share of power and money hungry politicians. Personally, I feel that government positions should be given to the ones who have the most money. Especially the president. The winner is the one usually with the most money put into their campaign. I mean, middle class citizens like me should be able to run with confidence.
I agree with you 100%; but the people who are our biggest problem(as a nation) are in charge of making policy to, in essence, regulate and eliminate themselves. Its not going to happen but by force.
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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2002, 02:22:27 PM »
Ok gohan, I have to agree with you in your post. Segregation was really stupid to pass but atleast it was repealed. That could have led to some problems. Your points about global trade I have to agree with you on.
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« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2002, 02:57:42 PM »
Personally, I think that to believe that America will never fall is arrogant and stupid. Every empire on earth has risen and fallen at some point.. most recently it was Russia. However, I don\'t think that the time of America\'s decline is now. People forget just how good we have it.. and while, yes, some people in the US are living worse than citizens in 3rd world countries.. they are hardly the majority. We do have a very substancial portion of our country living at or below the poverty line.. but life for them isn\'t nearly as bad as it is for those living in third world countries... it just merely sucks compaired to the rest of America. We can\'t all be middle class citizens here ya know.. some people will inevitiably STAY poor.. and it\'s a shackle that NO empire has even come close to shaking. In fact.. compaired to past empires, we\'re doing a damn fine job standard of living wise.

As for the poor and downtrodden rising up to face their opressors... I don\'t see it happening anytime soon, even if the possiblity is there. When was the last -REALLY- big riot? LA, right after Rodney King. When was the last one before that? The 1976(year?) Democratic convention. Perhaps I missed a few.. but compair that to the late 50\'s thru the 60\'s when the entire country was torn between two moral fronts - Segregation or Equality, and War or Peace? A cultural revolution was in full force, and riots were common place as angry citizens took to the streets to demonstrate their views on a subject much deeper and more personal than "Rich or Poor".

We survived.. and America is a much better place for it... and therin lies another possiblity, another internal revolution which in the long run, only serves to make America even stronger.
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« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2002, 03:10:58 PM »
I for one like a good dose of cynicism but some of you guys are way overboard.

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« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2002, 03:23:27 PM »
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I agree. I don\'t see it happening any time soon. I just see it on th horizon.

Ace, Its not a matter of not knowing how "good I have it". Its a matter of knowing history and knowing that it repeats itself.
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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2002, 03:40:29 PM »
People in general are greedy and self-centered.
I think people would piss/shit/rape the earth for a profit, and they don\'t give a **** who/or what is going to be the result of their actions 10 or 30 years from now.

They would rather save Skippy the dog than a starving African.

sometimes I think dogs are better off in this country than some children dying of hunger.

I do not agree with everything Bush does, but i hope he does exterminate that ****ing goat****er Saddam, and any other towel head mofo who wants to kill/maim/and terrorize in the name of their GOD/Country/or way of life.

When i think about some goatfuker blowing up a nuke-power-plant, or bringing some ****ing virus what not into the country and it kills a couple million people it makes me ****ing mad...

I really think the USA should pull out, and just let the goatfukers live in their poverty, and shit ridden countries... let them finish themselves...  Who the **** gave the Paki\'s permission to have an A-BOMB? those goat ****ers shouldn\'t have a ****ing razor never mind a ****ing bomb. Korea can’t have the A-BOMB, but the towel heads can? Where the **** is the logic in that?

I know political correctness went out the window with my rant, but you know what? Who cares? Will the goatfuker blowing up your school care that you die?  Nope… so who gives a **** about them, if they don’t give a **** about us.

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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2002, 06:24:25 PM »
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I\'d fight for this country in any war.


Blinded or brianwashed by patriotism are we? That is the same mentallity that has Saddam in power.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2002, 08:00:01 PM »
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Blinded or brianwashed by patriotism are we? That is the same mentallity that has Saddam in power.


No, I believe the mentality that is keeping Saddam in power is "I\'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT!!! PLEASE DON\'T KIIIIILLLLLLL MEEEEEEEE!!!"

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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2002, 08:10:03 PM »
On an interesting note, the fall of Rome had nothing to do with revolts from the lower classes. Rome simply over-extended their borders, so their troops were spread pretty thin. Of course, Rome did not have the ability to transport there troops 2,000 miles in two days when they needed them. Add to the fact that most of people who were not born Roman, but lived within the empire were conquered, where as all our foreigners willingly came to the US with the exception of the slaves of course. Will we fall as a super power? Of course, but that doesn\'t necessarily mean that our country will cease to exist.

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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2002, 08:23:59 PM »
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No, I believe the mentality that is keeping Saddam in power is "I\'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT!!! PLEASE DON\'T KIIIIILLLLLLL MEEEEEEEE!!!"


Regardless of fear, you would be surprised how many ppl openly support him out of loyality and not fear. Same goes for the likes of Sharon,Arafat and Bin LAden.
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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2002, 08:44:27 PM »
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Regardless of fear, you would be surprised how many ppl openly support him out of loyality and not fear. Same goes for the likes of Sharon,Arafat and Bin LAden.


The Iraqi soldiers sure showed their loyalty when they surrendered to news reporters in the Gulf War :D

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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2002, 08:48:18 PM »
I never said all did I?
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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2002, 08:50:22 PM »
Never said you did. I just thought it was funny.

 

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