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Offline Rya
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« on: February 12, 2003, 02:09:37 PM »
My sister emailed this article to me.  It is a long read, but it\'s really freaky that this goes on in America.

EVANGELIST UPSETS MUSLIMS
Jamie Manfuso, Herald Tribune, 2/4/04
http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=SH&Date=20030204&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=302040387&Ref=AR&Profile=1004&SectionCat=NEWS0103


PORT CHARLOTTE -- An evangelist told a church
congregation
here Sunday that the holy book of Islam instructs
followers
to kill nonbelievers.

Moody Adams upset some area Muslims and left them
feeling
misunderstood after the all-day conference on
terrorism at
First Baptist Church.

Speaking to an estimated 1,600 people during four
sessions,
which included the church\'s two regular Sunday
services,
the 71-year-old Adams drew a picture of Islam in stark
contrast to the peace-loving image that the local
Muslim
community has encouraged since the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks.

"I believe in being nice to the (Muslim) people," said
Adams, reached Monday at his Baton Rouge, La., home.
"I
hate this book (the Koran). I believe it is a barbaric
book. I believe it is the cause of these little
children
killing themselves, the Palestinians."

Perhaps 20 Muslims, as well as members of the local
Peace
Coalition, listened to Adams\' lecture Sunday. The
coalition
has opposed the push for war against Iraq.
Hasan Hammami, a Muslim from Port Charlotte, referred
to
the event as Islam-bashing day.

"It doesn\'t take much fear-mongering like this to whip
people up into a frenzy," Hammami said Monday. "I
don\'t
feel safer. I feel less safe than I felt the day
before
yesterday…"

Kathy Lyden, a Port Charlotte Muslim, said Adams and
others
take passages from the Koran out of their proper
historical
and social context.

She said the word "infidels" does not refer to
Christians
and Jews.
"It\'s referring to the Arab pagans that were
persecuting
the Muslims," she said.

Lyden said she was moved to tears at the conference.

"This is the same kind of stuff that sets people up
for
persecution," she said

MUSLIMS EXPLAIN PAIN CAUSED BY ISLAMOPHOBIC RHETORIC

The following is an excerpt from an email sent to CAIR
by a
Florida Muslim present at the Moody Adams anti-Islam
lectures:

"I listened to Moody Adams cry out to the hundreds of
Baptists in the audience, while holding up his
publication
that he put together, and saying this is the book
Muslims
believe in, and then following with, "Could this be a
doctrine of God or a doctrine of the devil?" "The
Devil!"
members shouted in response. He had whipped the
congregation into a frenzy. When he compared Muslims
with
the Trojans and said we would do as they did, sneak in
with
the Trojan Horse and conquer this country, I was
sickened.
I heard people responding with fervor, "Jesus save
us." He
was playing his audience so well…

As he continued his tirade and spoke of how Muslims
were
instructed to kill the Christians and the Jews and
that we
were out to convert their children, takeover their
financial institutions, and force everyone into
submission
to Islam. He counteracted anyone that might refute his
lies
by stating that the Quran even gives permission for
Muslims
to lie…

I asked him, "Do you believe Muslims should be put in
concentration camps?" He responded with saying mosques
around the country are recruiting terrorists. He would
not
say "No."

After his 2nd service, I remember witnessing people
hugging
each other and leaving in tears. I felt the desperate
need
to appeal to these mislead souls.  With tears
streaming
down my face I went from person to person as they were
leaving and grabbing their hands, holding them and
saying,
"I don\'t worship the devil. Can\'t you see, my religion
is
not evil." Many looked at me in disbelief…

One does not need to imagine what Nazi propaganda
meetings
were like decades ago. We were able to see it first
hand on
Sunday.

---

E-MAIL RECEIVED FROM A COLORADO MUSLIM:

"I went to a Lutheran Church in Highlands Ranch this
Sunday
because they had advertised a talk on Islam and I was
curious as too who was speaking. The speaker was an
Egyptian Coptic Priest who was fluent in Arabic. He
was
giving a talk about the Prophet Mohammed, and passed
out
some notes about the Prophet which I also received.
The
speech was full of slander about the Prophet, his
wives,
and his companions that I would not talk about my
enemies
in such a manner. After the speech I talked to the
Church
Pastor urging him to allow a Muslim to speak to his
parish
and offering my name and services."
And though she be but little, she is fierce.

~William Shakespeare

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2003, 05:26:09 AM »
I am bored of living.So no way I am not bored to read this.

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2003, 07:24:18 AM »
People are incredibly stupid. Sad but true. Both those pastors should be smacked upside the head with a metal baseball bat.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2003, 09:09:39 AM »
Baptists... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2003, 09:20:54 AM »
Religion... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2003, 09:25:09 AM »
Is it just me or is todays religion doing more harm than good?
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2003, 10:21:39 AM »
Religion has always been the focus of negative press. If they were to publish the many good things that are being done by churches then most people might think differently.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2003, 02:17:03 PM »
Like what? The preachers new caddy?
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2003, 02:46:56 PM »
you dont think religion has done anything good for this world?

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2003, 02:48:57 PM »
Atheists... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2003, 03:28:35 PM »
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Originally posted by Clowd
you dont think religion has done anything good for this world?


No.

Even the things I can quickly remember off the top of my head to be good are easily out numbered by the bad I see everyday.

Like today, some christians are at my door trying to sell religion. Do you know I was quite polite in telling them I was not interested 3 times. They still would STFU, so I told them I was now closing the door. Why does this prissy bitch and her friends continue to knock on my door?

So I called the cops. :)


*edit* funny thing is, they werent rude persay\'...but yet still rude if that makes any sense.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2003, 03:41:48 PM »
hello what? I couldnt make it much past "Moody Adams upset some area Muslims and left them feeling ..... blah blah blah" that all I saw after that who cares we live in a society where everyone will never get along!
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2003, 06:47:02 PM »
Here\'s my take on Christianity and religion in general. IT SET US BACK 1K years. If the Crusades didn\'t happen, we\'d have colonies as far as the moons of Jupiter and we\'d prolly be just about ready to test our first star ship. But it happend, unfortunatley they wouldn\'t stop there. After they severely disrupted scientific progress in The Middle East, they had to clamp down on the few bright pepole in Europe. DO U KNOW HOW FAR THEY SET BACK MATHEMATICS AND SCIENCE IN GENERAL!?!?

I know the core of religion has "good" in mind, but it can be used for "bad" just as easily. Sure, people would say that "bad people" would use other means if religion - in the traditional sense - didn\'t exist. But to me, if religion didn\'t exist, that\'s one less tool for "evil". If you must hang on to your beleifs, you have to remember that these are based on very very old books. You should be open to the fact that some of the content in these books are outdated and irrelevant today.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2003, 08:08:09 PM »
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If you must hang on to your beleifs, you have to remember that these are based on very very old books. You should be open to the fact that some of the content in these books are outdated and irrelevant today.


If you studied the bible more I doubt you would feel the same way

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2003, 08:28:19 PM »
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If you studied the bible more I doubt you would feel the same way


I dont know about him, but I was forced to study the bible for most of my 1st-9th grade time.

What he said is true. If you were to look beyond your excessive(sorry, couldnt think of a better word at the time) religious attitude, you may see that as well.
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