My 2 cents about this war

First,  I am neutral in this war.  When someone is neutral it is easier for them to see what really is happening.  First U.S. first attacked Iraq when they invaded Kuwait.  After that sanctions and strict confinements were put on Iraq.

 I do know that before 9-11 there was no talk about Iraq,  except for a couple of no-fly zone violations.  Then Iraq kicked the inspectors out.  Now it came to be that when U.S. threatened war against Iraq they let the inspectors back in.  OK,  I was like good,  no war.  But,  Bush insists that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.  I said,  Why not let the inspectors find them?  (I remembe reading an article about how some South African group did an inspection in Iraq with the inspectors and said they were doing a fine job and nothing else was needed.)  At this time the economy was bad.  But when Bush ordered an assassination on Saddam Hussein I said to myself,  does this man listen to anyone?  The U.N. said not to go.  And,  why is it that Iraq must play by the rules of war but the U.S. doesnt have to?  (BTW,  the stock market goes up at the sight of war.  Bush is an economic genius huh.)  It wouldnt surprise me if this war was planned long ago...

France does not want to go to war because they know if the U.S. seizes control of the oil they can charge them higher prices.  Same goes to Russia and the other countries who were anti-war.  (How many civilians were lost in the WTC disaster?  3,000? I remember when I heard an American say "we shall not rest until we get 3,000 of them.  Well,  you have 600+ already in Iraq,  and who knows how many in Afghanistan,  + the hundreds of civilians killed or dying because of 4k lb bombs dropping on their head, or sanctions etc)

Reason for this war.

1.  The Bush\'s and Saddam\'s "feud"
2.  Bush thinks the economy will go up after the U.S. requires the resources of Iraq.
(This last one just added because it wasnt until,  what,  5 days ago this was mentioned?  So if we dont find weapons of mass destruction we will have something else to fall on?)
3.  Liberate Iraq from a cruel dictatorship.

Dont get me wrong,  I think Saddam had done some terrible things.  But 2 wrongs dont make a right.  

Why is it that the U.S. can go to war with anyone it wants,  but Iraq or Pakistan and India cant?  Basically what I see coming down is a deteriation in the stability of this world.  With leaders not following any code and doing as they want,  I dont see why others might do the same thing.

Violations that Bush has made that I can think of at the moment

1.  Going to war without U.N. support.
2.  Attempted assassination on Saddam Hussein.


They impeached Clinton for nothing but they let this man go without so much as a slap on the hand....

...oh what i wouldnt give to be young and impressionable again

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a two edged sword. It both boldens the blood as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind is closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather,the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism will offer up ALL its rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I\'ve done. And I am Caesar." -unknown


Sad how some Americans were against this war but when the war started they said "We must follow our leader."

Sad

No what is sad is your comparison of Bush and Saddam and coming to the conclusion that Bush is a greater threat than Saddam to the civilized countries of the world.

what is REALLY sad, is that quote from ceaser better describes iraqi citizens rather then american citizens

thanks

Originally posted by Clowd


Violations that Bush has made that I can think of at the moment

1.  Going to war without U.N. support.
2.  Attempted assassination on Saddam Hussein.

1. Why should the UN have to OK a war when our, as well as other nations, national sercurity is at risk? The longer Saddam stays in power, the longer he will continue to kill his own people, and the longer he will have to produce WMD\'s. This WAR is JUST.

2. Definately NOT.....When you declare WAR on another country, the leader of that country is fair game. Plain and simple.

National Security at risk?

Sounds like what they told my father in Vietnam.  "If you dont go other there and do something they will take over the world!"

This is nothing more then propaganda spread by the U.S.  Iraq is no threat to the world.  Do you actually think that Saddam Hussein is trying to get nuclear weapons to use on other countries?  Do you not know that the minute he does him and his city will be destroyed?  Why would he want to do that?

I cant imagine what this war is doing to the men on both sides.  I can see in my mind the 19 year old shooting Iraqi soldiers running at him...and having nightmares later on that night.  I can see more Timothy McVieghs being made.  In the Gulf War, as you all know, Timothy McViegh was there.  And when he saw the U.S. policy in Iraq he went mad and decided to wage war against his own government.   One guys has already gone crazy and has grenaded his fellow soldiers.

The thing is,  this war is ruining humans.  They dont have to get hurt to get scarred.  My father,  who was in Vietnam,  had to pick up burnt bodies from airplane crashes,  watched several planes blow up (One jet pilot waved to his truck as it rolled down the runway,  only to be shot at and blown up at the end of the runway),  was shot at,  and almost died from a allergic reaction he had to a shot.  The results are he got PTSD,  and made life on my family a living hell.  If you ever watched the movie "This boy\'s life".  you know what type of father he was.  He was just fine before America sent him to "Stop Vietnam from taking over the world"

I dont want to imagine how many children will get a father back who is either a Timothy McVeigh or a PTSD.

I\'ve read Timothy McVeigh\'s  letter,  and he is nothing more then a man who saw the hypocrisy of the U.S.,  went crazy,  and thought blowing up a Federal building would help his cause.  This is the sickos war makes.

Enjoy the new generation

Iraq is no threat to the world

grrr, why do you always say something to make be abruptly stop reading what you write?

Originally posted by Clowd
And when he saw the U.S. policy in Iraq he went mad and decided to wage war against his own government.   One guys has already gone crazy and has grenaded his fellow soldiers.

So you are trying to say that McViegh opposed fighting Iraq and did what he did because of the US led war to kick Saddam out of Kuwait?????  You really don\'t know your history that well.  As far as the other guy goes... he was a recent convert to Islam and had been acting wacky for a while before he did what he did.  To say it was because of US policy is assuming quite a lot.  Until his trial we won\'t know what he reasons were.

The only thing more disturbing than your views is your avatar.

Ace

Duh..

Clinton wasn\'t impeached...

Originally posted by dajo


1. Why should the UN have to OK a war when our, as well as other nations, national sercurity is at risk?  

I would just like you to explain how our national security is at risk.


Must be those damn donkey powered ICBM\'s...didnt know they could swim across the atlantic huh?

The risk of Iraq giving weapons to terrorists is just as big as the risk of Saudi Arabia paying terrorists bills for flight school.  

Any country could in theory, support terrorisim, so unless our goverment produces some sort of proof that Iraq has been trying to help with an attack on America, they are -not- a threat to the U.S.

But ya know, Saudis are our freinds, they give us there bases, so we sweep things under the rug for them...

Originally posted by GigaShadow


So you are trying to say that McViegh opposed fighting Iraq and did what he did because of the US led war to kick Saddam out of Kuwait?????  You really don\'t know your history that well.  .

What?  Thats what he said.  He saw the U.S.\'s hypocrisy and wanted to get back at the government.  I dont know history well?  What does this have to do with not knowing history?

Originally posted by mm

grrr, why do you always say something to make be abruptly stop reading what you write?

So Iraq is a threat to the world?  How?  

Originally posted by Ashford


Clinton wasn\'t impeached...

What? http://www.boston.com/news/packages/clinton/clinton_impeached.htm

My mistake...

I thought impeached meant to be removed from office...