Move over Nvidia, ATI is king for price/performance!

how can one sound somewhat intelligent, yet sound like an 8 year old with a candy bar in the 1st post of this thread?

(not that i agree with any of the babble above)

oh, and Glide was 3DFX\'s downfall, sheesh

Hey mm, I got the same card as you, Ti4600, good quality card right there.

I steered away from budget cards cause I here a good graphics card can really extend the life of your computer.

sort of, a great video cardis no replacement for a great CPU

Some of you make very strong and valid arguments, biased on facts and experience. While others show clear signs of biased views. Keep in mind when in the Nvidoit vs ATI debate some people truly believe there company of choice is better based on weak benchmarks(cheats in driver code(which ATI once admitted to in regards to the quake demo-although at least they had the balls to admit it, unlike the arrogant NVIDIA)

I have found in my experience dealing and testing with numerous computer setups’s with all kinds of video cards, that the Benchmarks, fanboyism hype, clever marketing etc... that the real proof lies is the real-time application of your home PC.

I personally Own a Geforce ti4600, because at the time of purchase it was the best card available,(of course I volt modded the memory controller chip and Gpu chip, therefore having to watercool it). Although I now have switched camps to ATI for a couple of good reasons.

1. ATI in the past year has made tremendous strides in Driver development as well as the hardware to go along with it. It seems that when NVIDIA truly established themselves at the king of graphic cards that  they became a little sloppy and arrogant, a mistake that most monopoly companies are guilty of.

2. Since in reality it really isn\'t really practical to buy the top-end cards, as compared to the upper middle-ware which can usually be overclocked to the high-end specs. ATI\'s middle-ware cards are much better performers than there NVIDIA counterparts, AKA.. BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK.

3.When I was given the chance the own the 9700pro for 2 months I was blown away mainly by one thing, the picture quality. I did not realize fully how much of a difference good quality picture output can make, since I have been using NVIDIA beginning of TNT2 line.

So far ATI\'s track record has proven there cards to be of better quality/(performance, property tech implementation etc.. than NVIDIA has in the mass market GPU cards(mid level and high) for the past 8 months. NVIDIA may have the 9800 ultra but ATI is soon to be releasing there second gen DX9 card, so again they are ahead of NVIDIA\'s schedule.  

Personally I favor neither company, I lean with what ever company has the best card at my time of purchase, or argumentive debate. My next purchase will be near the end of September, I want the newest GPU card for half-life 2.  "IF" NVIDIA is able to produce upper mid-level cards that exceed(performance/price wise) ATI\'s,  then NVIDIA will be sitting inside my PC. Until then "ATI" The way it was meant to be played!

Screw you all! My Voodoo 5 owns everything right now and still running strong for nearly 3 years!

Not that I\'m proud that I still own one after 3 years, and well I kinda sorta wished I had a better one.

*sets up net to fish some loot*

Originally posted by mm
how can one sound somewhat intelligent, yet sound like an 8 year old with a candy bar in the 1st post of this thread?

(not that i agree with any of the babble above)

oh, and Glide was 3DFX\'s downfall, sheesh

Well, "somewhat intelligent babbling" is better than some people who complains about "babbling" but have nothing intelligent to babble about except "why are you babbling?"

LOL.

Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Some of you make very strong and valid arguments, biased on facts and experience. While others show clear signs of biased views. Keep in mind when in the Nvidoit vs ATI debate some people truly believe there company of choice is better based on weak benchmarks(cheats in driver code(which ATI once admitted to in regards to the quake demo-although at least they had the balls to admit it, unlike the arrogant NVIDIA)

I have found in my experience dealing and testing with numerous computer setups’s with all kinds of video cards, that the Benchmarks, fanboyism hype, clever marketing etc... that the real proof lies is the real-time application of your home PC.

I personally Own a Geforce ti4600, because at the time of purchase it was the best card available,(of course I volt modded the memory controller chip and Gpu chip, therefore having to watercool it). Although I now have switched camps to ATI for a couple of good reasons.

1. ATI in the past year has made tremendous strides in Driver development as well as the hardware to go along with it. It seems that when NVIDIA truly established themselves at the king of graphic cards that  they became a little sloppy and arrogant, a mistake that most monopoly companies are guilty of.

2. Since in reality it really isn\'t really practical to buy the top-end cards, as compared to the upper middle-ware which can usually be overclocked to the high-end specs. ATI\'s middle-ware cards are much better performers than there NVIDIA counterparts, AKA.. BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK.

3.When I was given the chance the own the 9700pro for 2 months I was blown away mainly by one thing, the picture quality. I did not realize fully how much of a difference good quality picture output can make, since I have been using NVIDIA beginning of TNT2 line.

So far ATI\'s track record has proven there cards to be of better quality/(performance, property tech implementation etc.. than NVIDIA has in the mass market GPU cards(mid level and high) for the past 8 months. NVIDIA may have the 9800 ultra but ATI is soon to be releasing there second gen DX9 card, so again they are ahead of NVIDIA\'s schedule.  

Personally I favor neither company, I lean with what ever company has the best card at my time of purchase, or argumentive debate. My next purchase will be near the end of September, I want the newest GPU card for half-life 2.  "IF" NVIDIA is able to produce upper mid-level cards that exceed(performance/price wise) ATI\'s,  then NVIDIA will be sitting inside my PC. Until then "ATI" The way it was meant to be played!

Excellent thesis. It\'s all about the BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK when u buy  the GPU at the point in time and ATI is currently THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION. Like you, I\'ve been using Nvidia since TNT and was totally blown away by the image quality of ATI cards. No amount of comparison on the web via a Nvidia card can tells the difference until you see the real thing.

Even if Nvidia can beat ATI in terms of raw speed next round, i seriously doubt they can better the image quality...nvidia has never been bother about this after so many years even after much comments and critism from respected reviewers. All they care is raw speed to brag over the competition.

Originally posted by jm
Screw you all! My Voodoo 5 owns everything right now and still running strong for nearly 3 years!

Not that I\'m proud that I still own one after 3 years, and well I kinda sorta wished I had a better one.

*sets up net to fish some loot*

Just curious...does ur Voodoo5 have T&L?? If it doesn\'t i would be quite suprised if it can do decent frame rates with all the new games which required T&L.

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Nvidia256:
that the real proof lies is the real-time application of your home PC.
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Exactly, to hell with benchmarks. My 9100 already prove itself competent in C&C:Generals..for such an excellent price.


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ATI owns me(until next time, that is)
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Hey nvidia256 what card are you using now??? The Ti?  Why did you only have the 9700 for 2 months?  If I had it I wouldn\'t have given it back!

Given your experience with both cards... I do have a question since this card (9500 Pro and is related to the 9700) is the first decent card I have had in a long time.  There are so many options regarding AA and other choices its hard to know what to put my settings on.  Basically, do I just experiment around with them or is there do\'s and don\'ts regarding these options.

Current setup:

P4 2.4
512 MB DDR
Asus P4PE MB
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro

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experiment all you want...

Well first off the 9700 pro was not mine to own, if so I would have loved to keep it.  I was boring it from my good pal, whose college bought him a new computer, since he is funded by the government.

Yes, NVIDIA\'s main focus is frame rates over quality(just look at the ti\'s poor framerate when AA is implemented, and don\'t get me started on AF) while speed is important for games, ATI has a good balance of both in there line of cards while NVIDIA skimps on the quality. It seems only now that NVIDIA has begun to pay more attention to quality, for instance they have dramatically improved there AF implementation as well as AA. While this is certainly an improvement, it is still not up to par with what ATI is offering, after all this particular area is ATI field of expertise.

Regardless, as it has been said before, the mid level cards are where the business is, and therefore the real importance for each company is to focus on that market. Who cares if NVIDIA\'s top of the line card does 10 more fps than ATI\'s, that area of interest is a small minority of people, and even then i\'d take the higher quality card over the small performance gain of a less than stellar one.



Not sure if this is100% true(although I’m sure many of you had heard of this) but NVIDIA apparently tried to pay a large sum of money to the developers of HALF-Life (Valve) to support or make the game only capable with NVIDIA based cards, sort of like how games are made to be played on one type of console. This is how low and desperate NVIDIA will go in order to dominate the pc graphic end market. It\'s business strategy’s like this that  destroy the pc market many cherish, cause in the end we the consumers loose big time.  Of course if Valve had agreed to this, they would have screwed themselves right up the ass, as I’m sure the game would have been boycotted by us PC gamers to in order to clear make out statement point out.  Who knows tough the PC market could potentially mimic many or take on many aspects of the console market, like property games for the Hardware vendor.

Originally posted by NVIDIA256

Not sure if this is100% true(although I’m sure many of you had heard of this) but NVIDIA apparently tried to pay a large sum of money to the developers of HALF-Life (Valve) to support or make the game only capable with NVIDIA based cards, sort of like how games are made to be played on one type of console. This is how low and desperate NVIDIA will go in order to dominate the pc graphic end market. It\'s business strategy’s like this that  destroy the pc market many cherish, cause in the end we the consumers loose big time.  Of course if Valve had agreed to this, they would have screwed themselves right up the ass, as I’m sure the game would have been boycotted by us PC gamers to in order to clear make out statement point out.  Who knows tough the PC market could potentially mimic many or take on many aspects of the console market, like property games for the Hardware vendor.

yeah, heard of that before. btw, isn\'t DOOM 3(and/or some other games/apps?) comes with some crap promotion like "Optimized for nvidia" or something like that? Ne way, some sites tested these softwares and found that ironically, it runs better on an ATI.

nvidia made thier new cards for doom3 (and vice-versa), and doom3 runs better on thier cards.

eat it

We were thrilled to see these scores at 1600x1200. I truly did not think this sort of frame rate at such a high resolution would even be within any system\'s grasp. At this crushing resolution we see the GeForceFX 5900 Ultra stay ahead of the 9800 Pro from 25% to 70% in frame rate.

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Interesting
Seems everytime i read something about nvidia lately it hasn\'t been good. :/

Doom3 is 1 game. Wow. :rolleyes:  You gonna get this card simply for 1 game?

Seems like you\'re getting desperate mm, grasping to what little hope you have left for nvidia.  

When i update next. I\'ll get whatever is the best card, with the cash i have. Right now, It seems like it\'ll be a ATI card.  I won\'t be buying another GF4 card mm