Matrix Revolutions

You are not the best movie critic thats for sure.Your expectations are based a lot on previous movie experiences thats why you cant see the movie\'s uniqueness

But that\'s the fundemental problem with this film.  No matter how "cool" any action scene is, it\'s totaly wasted if you don\'t feel the characters are ever in any real danger, and if they are, you don\'t even care if they live or die.  That\'s a fundemental problem with the trilogy that critics address, but hardcore know-it-all fans ignore and excuse as some part of a deeper meaning.

Tell me this, was Smith not the best character in the film?  Was he not the most interesting, most talented, and most intriguing aspect?  If you answered yes to any of those questions, then the film failed.  It should be understood that, for the most part, in order for a film to be worthwhile and emotional and truly grab the viewer and make connections with the characters and their cause, there needs to be a hero and a villain that represents both disparate ends of the spectrum and although Smith is clearly the villain, no one feels connected enough with the characters both inside and outside of the Matrix to care if Neo wins or loses.  I bet all of you who are heralding the film as one of the best ever didn\'t watch the final battle hoping Neo would win, but instead watched it simply for the spectacle.

That\'s where the Matrix fails as a film.  It\'s a series of great moments followed by a series of poorly constructed ones rife with subjective dialogue, unemotional characters, and lacks a story that is truly enthralling.  If I took out the few character specific moments and spliced together only the action scenes, most of you would more then likely not even notice.  I\'m sure even that many of you will get the dvd home and skip around from scene to scene.  I know I do on Reloaded, but I would guess that is why that film has so many chapter points to begin with.  

If a film is great, it\'s great from beginning to end and it creates an emotional bond with the characters and the viewers, but because this film never once succeeded in doing that, it was a dissapointing failure.  

How unfortunate.

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Originally posted by Ryu
But that\'s the fundemental problem with this film.  No matter how "cool" any action scene is, it\'s totaly wasted if you don\'t feel the characters are ever in any real danger, and if they are, you don\'t even care if they live or die.  That\'s a fundemental problem with the trilogy that critics address, but hardcore know-it-all fans ignore and excuse as some part of a deeper meaning.

You didnt get the films main purpose.Thats why you cant see the meaning hence you think thats an excuse from hardcore fans.

Tell me this, was Smith not the best character in the film?  Was he not the most interesting, most talented, and most intriguing aspect?  If you answered yes to any of those questions, then the film failed.  One has to understand that in order for a film to be worthwhile and emotional, there needs to be a hero and a villain and although Smith is clearly the villain, no one feels connected enough with the characters both inside and outside of the Matrix to care if Neo wins or loses.  I bet all of you who are heralding the film as one of the best ever didn\'t watch the final battle hoping Neo would win, but instead watched it simply for the spectacle.

Smith\'s attitude in the film also had a purpose in the film.Its not coincidential that Smith who is a program has a stronger character than  "humans"

That\'s where the Matrix fails as a film.  It\'s a series of great moments followed by a series of poorly constructed ones rife with subjective dialogue, unemotional characters, and lacks a story that is truly enthralling.  If I took out the few character specific moments and spliced together only the action scenes, most of you would more then likely not even notice.  I\'m sure even that many of you will get the dvd home and skip around from scene to scene.  I know I do on Reloaded, but I would guess that is why that film has so many chapter points to begin with.

If you want to see the film expecting emotional  bonds strong characters it takes from the main purpose of the film.It not trying to make you feel emotional with the plot.Its trying to avoid that.Its different.You proovge hwt I have said before.Your expectations are based on previous experiences.

If a film is great, it\'s great from beginning to end and it creates an emotional bond with the characters and the viewers, but because this film never once succeeded in doing that, it was a dissapointing failure.  

How unfortunate. [/B]

The movie wants you be neutral from emotions.It doesnt want you to feel hatred or love or saddness or anything.It  will lure you away from the movie\'s real substance.
Actually its not a movie for everyone.Its trying to enlighten through science fiction .Trying to pass some meanings.It depends from the person.Some people like it because of its action etc Other because of its effects.But they are also misisng the meaning.I agree that some people liked the movie because they dont know shit about movies and they get easily excited,But unfortunately neither do they see the substance of the movie.
Its like a work of abstract art with the difference that it has substance.Not everyone is going to understant it.

You didnt get the films main purpose.

 the main purpose of the film was so make you plop down 9$, and forget what quality film making actually is

Your expectations are based on previous experiences.

no, your expectation is you saw the best parts of the film in the previews and you already know whats gonna happen
:rolleyes:

......and furthermore

that\'s where the Matrix fails as a film. It\'s a series of great moments followed by a series of poorly constructed ones rife with subjective dialogue, unemotional characters, and lacks a story that is truly enthralling.

ryu nailed the epitome of what the matrix films are right there.  that cannot be contested.

Let\'s face it, if you\'ve read this far in to the thread then you\'ve either seen the movie or ruined it entirely...thus I will not put spoiler tags.  Let\'s just have some matrix discussion.

The only way the series could be over is if the machines and humans get along.  Zion was not irradicated and I believe the architect said "those who wish to be free will be released" meaning that the 1% who are the eventuallity of the anomally (Neo) are no longer a part of the equation, at least for the matrix itself.  They will still pose a threat to the machine world as an uprising is inevitable.

The Oracle said she supposes that we will see him again...Now, Neo didn\'t return to the source code like previous ones so how could he be involved any further in the balance of the equation?  Or perhaps he was returning to the source code in the end when he was turning that bright gold along with everything else???

Maybe he\'ll be resurrected...no way to be sure.

A sequel is not out of the question, or an entirely different trilogy set in the matrix world...

The anomally is systemic creating fluctuations in even the simplest of equations inevitably leading to another, one that as the architect said is "not beyond a measure of control."  With the release of those who chose not to accept the matrix, choice is no longer an issue meaning that an entire different anomally could result in a different chain of events leading up to the balance of the equation...thus a different trilogy entirely.  Am I entirely confused or just putting way too much thought in to it?

I have more questions like what\'s with the little girl from the train station...she\'s obviously a program but what her significance was is beyond me at the moment.  Someone mentioned she was refered to as "the last exile"...I don\'t remember that and I can\'t begin to think what it means.

Besides orchestrating the entire chain of events, what is the oracles\' ultimate purpose?  In Reloaded, Seraph said he "protects that which matters most".  I also have to ask why Seraph was seen as a gold light like the machine city in Reloaded?  They said themselves they are both programs and as such would face deletion if not for a purpose...

I really admire the way they wrapped up this "anomally" but it still left quite a few open ended questions for the matrix universe.

Perhaps another Animatrix lies ahead???

If a film is great,

it remains so as subject to the individual.

Sorry YOU didn\'t like it.

Originally posted by mm


when the 12-17 year old crowd cherish a movie like matrix 2 and 3, it doesnt last

 

I was 12 when Star Wars came out and that whole group of 12-17 year olds who originally saw the first trilogy in theaters still cherish them.  BTW I haven\'t seen the latest Matrix so I have no opinion on it.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Exactly.

Or maybe they shouldn\'t of been "smart for the stupid". Which means - they attempt to sound so deep and smart, but honestly, if you think they are , you\'re stupid.

Smart for the stupid.

Basically a load of pretentious old w*nk with a wooden board as the lead. The Matrix provokes thought and then embarrases itself in the same breath

Haven\'t seen the third yet, I don\'t know if I want to waste £10 going to see it as I may well walk out.

IMO it all went wrong when they started talking about programs, viruses and all that boll*cks rather than man vs machine, it became utterly dull.

[Living-In-Clip]

See, I knew there was a reason we kept Ryu around..

Originally posted by mm
the main purpose of the film was so make you plop down 9$, and forget what quality film making actually is

So are all the movies you love talking about how great they are :rolleyes:
 

no, your expectation is you saw the best parts of the film in the previews and you already know whats gonna happen
:rolleyes:

As I said earlier its not just the action parts that make me like this trilogy  :rolleyes:
If I want better cooler fighting scenes I might prefer The One instead.But I dont

ryu nailed the epitome of what the matrix films are right there.  that cannot be contested. [/B]

They cannot be contested:
1)Because he is a mod and whatever Mods say according to your logic shouldnt be denied because of that(So I wonder why you post.To impose to the forum members?)
2)Because  you have the same opinion as his

There is no point arguing with you.

[Titan]

I saw the matrix last night (but I was right in the front left so didn\'t see it perfectly). I have to say I was impressed with some of the specail effects but not with the plot. There was only one gun battle scene. Then there was like a 20 minutes scene of the people blowing up sentinals in those walking guns. I thought the movie could have been alot better. Would I pay 9 bucks to see it again? Yes. It was a good movie, awesome special effects and need to see the full screen next time, lol.

not with the plot...

there\'s another one


ryu\'s conclusion of the matrix is dead on, my opinion withstanding or not

Hey, I liked Alien: Res, too, until the end...

Look.Its not anyone\'s fault if you or some other people(including the ones that liked the movie for any reason except the right one) cant notice what truelly makes this movie great .

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Unicron!
Look.Its not anyone\'s fault if you or some other people(including the ones that liked the movie for any reason except the right one) cant notice what truelly makes this movie great .

Or to play devil\'s advocate what makes this "truelly" such a terrible movie.