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« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2003, 12:01:11 PM »
If YOU dont like it because it doesnt serve YOUR expectations it doesnt mean it\'s a bad movie.

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« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2003, 12:06:24 PM »
And if YOU do like it because it did meed YOUR expectations, does not make it a good movie.

See, how that works?


And if we wanted to truly judge if it was a good or bad movie - we would have to go by general public opinion along with critics opinions, which leans more towards the "let down" angle - which would make it a bad movie.

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« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2003, 12:24:56 PM »
You guys need jobs... really. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2003, 12:31:31 PM »
I have one. Goin\' to work in about two hours, for I can post at work.
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« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2003, 12:34:27 PM »
I know I am kidding... I am at work myself... this debate is decent entertainment when you are bored. ;)
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« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2003, 12:37:13 PM »
This debate is like watching two groups of geeks threatening to break each other\'s calculators. It\'s funny and pathetic.

It\'s a movie. Everything is subjective. And Glitter should have been a porn movie.
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« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2003, 01:04:56 PM »
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And if YOU do like it because it did meed YOUR expectations, does not make it a good movie.

See, how that works?


And if we wanted to truly judge if it was a good or bad movie - we would have to go by general public opinion along with critics opinions, which leans more towards the "let down" angle - which would make it a bad movie.


I didnt create any expectations before seeing the movie.Especially when they are based on previous experiences.


:rolleyes:

See the difference?

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« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2003, 01:08:08 PM »
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I didnt create any expectations before seeing the movie.Especially when they are based on previous experiences.


:rolleyes:

See the difference?



Untrue. You enjoyed the first two - therefor you had expectations for the movie. Expectations are a given. Wether they be good or bad. You have a pre-conceived notion on the film before you see it. You, enjoying the previous two, was looking forward to it.

And that does not help the fact, that if we was to actually sit and decide if the film was good or not, we would have to go to a majority of media and personal opinions.

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« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2003, 01:21:56 PM »
Well, I saw it today, and was a bit let down.  I was hoping for twistier movie, with a more definitive ending.  That said, the last two were action movies, and good action movies at that.

It\'s got 6.5/10 on imdb, so it\'s a full star away from making the top 250 list, but still a good movie... "according to the people"
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« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2003, 01:29:57 PM »
6.5/10

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« Reply #100 on: November 06, 2003, 01:40:55 PM »
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Untrue. You enjoyed the first two - therefor you had expectations for the movie. Expectations are a given. Wether they be good or bad. You have a pre-conceived notion on the film before you see it. You, enjoying the previous two, was looking forward to it.

And that does not help the fact, that if we was to actually sit and decide if the film was good or not, we would have to go to a majority of media and personal opinions.


Look.When I saw the first movie I didnt know shit about it before.I had no expectations.My friends wanted to see it.You also have to understand the difference between "What do I expect to see from a movie" and "What do I expect from a sequel".You people had expectations based on previous experiences with other movies before watching the first film.Thats why you didnt like the first and thats why you didnt like the sequels.If I like a movie and the sequel sucks I would be more dissapointed than people that didnt like the first film and I would be th efirst to notice it.I am not a Matrix bigot or anything.

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« Reply #101 on: November 06, 2003, 02:40:40 PM »
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Hey, I liked Alien: Res, too, until the end...


I didn\'t even make it to the end.. :shy:

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I bet all of you who are heralding the film as one of the best ever didn\'t watch the final battle hoping Neo would win, but instead watched it simply for the spectacle.


Well put..  Excellent post. :)

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I have more questions like what\'s with the little girl from the train station...she\'s obviously a program but what her significance was is beyond me at the moment.  Someone mentioned she was refered to as "the last exile"...I don\'t remember that and I can\'t begin to think what it means.


I believe exiles were those programs created without a purpose (and thus were supposed to be deleted), but chose to hide.  Hence the whole train thingy-ma-bob.  But I really didn\'t understand where they were trying to hide.  Wasn\'t the purpose of the train to smuggle things in between the real world and the Matrix?  If so, why did she remain in the matrix?  

Perhaps I misunderstood..

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« Reply #102 on: November 06, 2003, 03:14:36 PM »
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You didnt get the films main purpose.Thats why you cant see the meaning hence you think thats an excuse from hardcore fans.


You are making far too many assumptions.  It\'s true that Neo is becoming more machine like, which is what everyone seems to suggest while Smith himself is becoming more human -- which is the point you are referring to.  That\'s not the issue here because I\'m not targetting dead-pan Keanuu Reeves.  I\'m targetting every character, every person, every spec of the film.  I "get" it completely, but one does not have to "miss the point" to not appreciate it -- it\'s not a prerequisite.

Regardless, whether I "get" it or not is irrelevant.  To feel the characters are totaly hollow and to have no emotional ties to ANY of them and feel the spectacle was more important then the characters themselves is what made this movie terrible.  I\'m not attacking its deep philosophy or its deep spiritual meanings.  I happen to think discussing the films and the ideas of them are great, but that doesn\'t make the films great in themselves.  

I can discuss the structure and meaning of every scene in Glitter, but in the end, a pile of bile is a pile of bile no matter what\'s buried in it.

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Smith\'s attitude in the film also had a purpose in the film.Its not coincidential that Smith who is a program has a stronger character than  "humans"


That much is certain and it\'s something I already know, but having the best personality and the best character doesn\'t excuse the fact that deep down, you didn\'t care if Neo died or not.  Take the classic example of the Joker and Batman, both are infinitely great characters, but each one has a past, each one has a deep emotional background that connects you with them, and each one would definitely be a whole lot of fun to tinker with what with Joker\'s insane amount of gags and his playful and sadistic nature while Batman has its exuberant amount of gadgets and is the perfect human specimen.  In the end, everyone wants Batman to win.  No matter what the Joker does.  In Matrix Revolutions, no one cared if Neo won or lost or if Smith won or lost, it was all about the spectacle, nothing more, nothing less.

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If you want to see the film expecting emotional  bonds strong characters it takes from the main purpose of the film.It not trying to make you feel emotional with the plot.Its trying to avoid that.Its different.You proovge hwt I have said before.Your expectations are based on previous experiences.


That\'s like saying there is no bias in the world when, in fact, everything you say and every decision you make has a degree of bias whether you like it or not.  Biases can be affected by something as simple as the weather or what you had for breakfast in the morning right up to the more direct forms of influence based on prequels building to whether or not this movie is good or bad or whether or not the PS2 is greater then the Xbox based on what you played as a child.  

Everyone has a bias and an expectation.  No one can go into anything with a clear head.  In order to do that, you\'d have to approach it as if you were a newborn baby and this was the first thing you ever saw in your life.  Unfortunately, you wouldn\'t understand it and you wouldn\'t be able to remember watching it when you became old enough to articulate your feelings on it.  That\'s too bad for you though as it totaly destroys your argument.

Oh and one last thing, when Neo and Trinity embraced on the train platform, it sure as hell wouldn\'t have hurt the story to smile.  The humans ARE capable of expressing joy afterall.  Don\'t give me any crap that it\'s devoid of emotion for some huge monumental purpose.  Would you even know that Trinity and Neo were in love had they not kissed and had sex and people constantly said that love was "all over their face" when their face is always the same stern flatness that it has been for three movies?

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The movie wants you be neutral from emotions.It doesnt want you to feel hatred or love or saddness or anything.It  will lure you away from the movie\'s real substance.
Actually its not a movie for everyone.Its trying to enlighten through science fiction .Trying to pass some meanings.It depends from the person.Some people like it because of its action etc Other because of its effects.But they are also misisng the meaning.I agree that some people liked the movie because they dont know shit about movies and they get easily excited,But unfortunately neither do they see the substance of the movie.
Its like a work of abstract art with the difference that it has substance.Not everyone is going to understant it.


And understanding, again, is not the point I\'m trying to make here.  I got it.  It\'s fine.  That doesn\'t make the movie better.  Lets see if you can get that.

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it remains so as subject to the individual.

Sorry YOU didn\'t like it.


That\'s a fair assessment to a degree, but I won\'t crap in the face of classical cinema because it has worked for so many years and created the best films of any time.
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« Reply #103 on: November 06, 2003, 03:51:24 PM »
I prefer 1 and 2 over this one...  Not that it was a bad movie, just a very empty movie. Good visual movie, but i didn\'t expect much story line sense 1 and 2 pretty much setup everything for 3.
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« Reply #104 on: November 06, 2003, 05:24:49 PM »
*sigh* This is truely pathetic. WHY DO YOU SO WHOLE HEARTEDLY ARGUE OVER THIS CRAP? There will never be a decent movie thread on these boards, with a very small margin of hope. All the threads go the same way, yet you all sit in your little cubicles or w/e and waste away arguing over this shit. Nobody listens to anything with any bit of common sense (not saying that this is the most important post and all that jazz).

Why waste your time?

I think you guys really get off on this stuff or just have extremely boring lives where the only fufilment you gain is from bitching at eachother, just trying to see how many profound and "good" posts you can get in before some mod gets tired of it and closes the thread.
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