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Originally posted by SwifDi
Hah... You see these questions on life and such never plague my mind or drive me crazy cuz it all clicks perfectly.. Faith is such a wonderful thing.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess whatever works if you\'re happy.

Originally posted by SwifDi
Hah... You see these questions on life and such never plague my mind or drive me crazy cuz it all clicks perfectly.. Faith is such a wonderful thing.

I don\'t really see how religion helps in this situation... is it because you "know" you\'ll be in heaven when you die? Because you\'d still have a whole life ahead of you, where you \'have to\' do stuff. Would be kinda boring to just do nothing but jack off every day til you\'re 80.

*buzz* Wrong.

I don\'t know I\'ll be in heaven, I just know that there is a possibility of more after this life is over. I don\'t "have to do" anything. Like I said, actually step inside a church and educate yourself. You guys are just going off hearsay which you pickup from fellow atheists.

And with faith, I can never worry or become befuddled with question marks dancing in my head. It\'s not ignorance, it\'s self-assurance!

Originally posted by SwifDi
*buzz* Wrong.

I don\'t know I\'ll be in heaven, I just know that there is a possibility of more after this life is over. I don\'t "have to do" anything. Like I said, actually step inside a church and educate yourself. You guys are just going off hearsay which you pickup from fellow atheists.

And with faith, I can never worry or become befuddled with question marks dancing in my head. It\'s not ignorance, it\'s self-assurance!

You misunderstood me little fellow. I\'ve read the bible btw, don\'t think I\'m on a crusade (hah, get it) against religion. I\'m not even an atheist, I\'m agnostic.

When I said "know" (notice the "") I meant as in you think it\'s a possibility. But I was just curious as to in what way your faith makes your earthly life so easy... you just run on auto pilot thinking "it\'s God\'s will"? That\'s what I was interested in hearing about.

And btw, when I said \'have to\' do stuff I mean like everybody else. You can choose not to do anything with your life, religous or not. But that\'s not very fun as I said above.

I went to church every sunday for 15 years and went to classes every wednesday for 5 years also.  I\'m not completely ignorant like some.  I saw what it entails and now have been able to make my own choice.

Let me rephrase my question for you Freestylah. I wanted to know how your religion helps you in deciding what to do with your life.

I think you might be influenced by your age. When I was your age I didn\'t care/think about the future either... You go to school, hang out with your friends and so on, and that takes up the better part of your life. When you get older though you tend to think more about what you wanna do with your life. Even the most religious people would \'have to\' do something with their lives (or choose not to, if they\'re section 8).

Understand me now?

Originally posted by Samwise
Ever feel like life\'s a rotten piece of mundane sh1t? Me neither... :eek:

Come on guys, I feel like some intellectual discussion. Morons need not apply.

What\'s the point of living? Working your ass off so you can buy more crap, bigger things you don\'t need anyway? Is it suffering a lifetime so you can be a saint in heaven for eternity? Is it getting up every day, going to work, coming home spending the last hours of the day in front of the TV-altar where you don\'t need to think for yourself? Do you even think about this when walking around doing your daily routines like a zombie?

In other words - what makes you tick?

I had no idea what this thread was about, title is a bit vague;)

What is the point of living.  Answer: To live.

Your life as it is right now is a result of the experience you have.  The key to making it all work is to see it as something you can work with.

I keep going back to this only because it makes so much sense.  Things are as they are as they will be.  You can either choose to embrace it or fight it.  I think it goes without saying that you will be in an eternal struggle if you fight it and that just isn\'t fun.  

Take all that which you are and make it work.  Dwell on that which you are not and EVERYTHING becomes a struggle.

Happiness can not be found in material things, they can not love back.  You can love what you do by loving who you are, it\'s entirely satisfying.  The end result is only as satisfying as the experience to get there.  

Myself...I do believe in a higher power.  As I said in another thread there is something that naturally drives you forward, it is your ability that you were given that you will only be able to see once you stop looking for it.

If it is natural, that which you are, your life will unfold as it was meant to...even if it does seem a bit odd at times.

Live it and learn.

So what did you do today?  I lived and it was fun:)


EDIT:  Just to hit on another subject.  Fighting for what you believe in is not the way to go.  It leads to oppresion and segregation...where we are now.  

I don\'t understand why we can\'t leave well enough alone?  If you indeed are meant to follow God or whatever higher power you believe in then you will naturally do so as it was meant.

To inflict your beliefs on someone else does nothing more than satisfy your ego.  That\'s sin as I understand it.

Originally posted by Ginko
Just to hit on another subject.  Fighting for what you believe in is not the way to go.  It leads to oppresion and segregation...where we are now.  

I don\'t understand why we can\'t leave well enough alone?  If you indeed are meant to follow God or whatever higher power you believe in then you will naturally do so as it was meant.

To inflict your beliefs on someone else does nothing more than satisfy your ego.  That\'s sin as I understand it.

Very interesting statement. I can\'t say that I agree. In fact, I totally disagree.

What if it is your beliefs that are being oppressed? I don\'t see how "leaving well enough alone" is beneficial to anyone but the oppressor. If fighting for the right TO believe does nothing more than satisfy your ego why believe at all? Does that mean believing(or wanting to belive), by itself, is indirectly a sin?

BTW, I\'m talking about beliefs in general not just religious beliefs.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Very interesting statement. I can\'t say that I agree. In fact, I totally disagree.

What if it is your beliefs that are being oppressed? I don\'t see how "leaving well enough alone" is beneficial to anyone but the oppressor. If fighting for the right TO believe does nothing more than satisfy your ego why believe at all? Does that mean believing(or wanting to belive), by itself, is indirectly a sin?

BTW, I\'m talking about beliefs in general not just religious beliefs.

Then you will forever be in the struggle.  You are by choice making yourself a victim.

The oppresors are those who think they know best for everyone else, through some power they are able to influence.

Leaving well enough alone would mean you wouldn\'t inflict yourself(beliefs) upon others.  <---  No oppression would be the result if everyone did this.  I realize this is not the case but you are making it no better by participating in it.

How is fighting for your beliefs equal to inflicting your beliefs on others?

Maybe its just semantics but I don\'t see how fighting for what you believe in is bad. Are you saying that it is better to just "believe" by itself than to fight for those beliefs?

[EDIT] Now that I think about it. I do see how the two could be equated.

Are you saying that it is better to just "believe" by itself than to fight for those beliefs?

What about acting on your beliefs?

Where does that fit in?

If you truly believe you will act on them without effort...Do without doing.

Yield to that around you and life becomes so much easier...you become a part of it.  You will naturally carry out that which was meant to be because that is what you do, that is who you are.

I can\'t think of any religion that tells you to fight one another for your beliefs.

Originally posted by Ginko
If you truly believe you will act on them without effort...Do without doing.

What if you believe in fighting for your beliefs?

Then you will oppress.  You throw yourself back in to a struggle.

^How can anyone be happy when their lives are about struggle?