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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2004, 04:41:33 AM »
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Catholics and Christians are different buddy. Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary, who speaks to God. Christians view Mary as nothing more than the virgin who gave birth to Christ. Catholics also believe in purgatory, Christians do not. There are other differences a Google search would show, those are the ones off of the top of my head.

I used to be Catholic, and now I\'m Christian.


Othodox and Catholic are different you mean.They are both Christians.There are some diffference in the way the view some things.

And Orthodox dont view virgin Mary only as the virgin that gave birth to Christ.
They pray to virgin Mary more than you think.In Greece and Cyprus they have given her many titles and names and praise her a lot and she is a more respectable figure than the saints.
There must be something else different about the way virgin Mary is viewed by the schism

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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2004, 06:38:31 AM »
(MOB VOICE) I can see you still disrespect me (/MOB VOICE)

SO PLEASE SOME MOD CLOSE THIS FLIPPING THREAD!!!!
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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2004, 06:54:18 AM »
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Othodox and Catholic are different you mean.They are both Christians.There are some diffference in the way the view some things.

And Orthodox dont view virgin Mary only as the virgin that gave birth to Christ.
They pray to virgin Mary more than you think.In Greece and Cyprus they have given her many titles and names and praise her a lot and she is a more respectable figure than the saints.
There must be something else different about the way virgin Mary is viewed by the schism


Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t. In fact, think of the Vatican as the American Government, they tell us one thing and we do another. That doesn\'t make us less Catholic or Americans less patriotic.

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SO PLEASE SOME MOD CLOSE THIS FLIPPING THREAD!!!!


Sorry. :) I had to make mm less dumb.
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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2004, 09:31:50 AM »
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I believe that he existed, I just think he was one of many thousand outspoken jewish preachers that existed at that time.  

The Romans didn\'t like that he was stirring up rebellion, so they killed him. Just like they did to hundreds or thousands of other outspoken preachers....

Back then, peeps believed that god put a baby directly in a woman\'s body. Mary
got pregnant out of wedlock, (probably at age 13 or so..)and was going to be stoned to death. Joseph married her to save her life. Since he never slept with her, the story came well after the fact (many years after Jesus died) that she was a virgin. That story fit in with some factions of christianity more than others....

Imagine back then if this happend to a local leader who promised to lead them from the hell of roman rule. In order to gain strength, you start embellishing this leader\'s exploits. (happens in every culture....)


I agree with you 100% Chiz. But there are some to believe (myself included) that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier and I guess to ashamed to admit it, so she claimed that she was a virgin. Unless ofcoarse, it was the way you take it in context. She may have said virgin because she didn\'t have sex with the man she loved but was raped by a soldier. Just my opinion ofcoarse :)
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« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2004, 09:40:27 AM »
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Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t. In fact, think of the Vatican as the American Government, they tell us one thing and we do another. That doesn\'t make us less Catholic or Americans less patriotic.

 

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« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2004, 09:41:19 AM »
I don\'t give a flying flip about religion, but I am technically a Catholic.

Just so you all know:  Imagine Christianity is a big pie.  Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Mormons, Unitarians, Methodists, Anglicans, Jehovah\'s Witnesses... all are slices of the pie.  All are Christians.  

Sorry you didn\'t know.  :)
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« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2004, 10:15:41 AM »
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Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t.


Ok now it sounds differently than your previous post.I accept what you ment.

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« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2004, 10:43:31 AM »
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I don\'t give a flying flip about religion, but I am technically a Catholic.

Just so you all know:  Imagine Christianity is a big pie.  Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Mormons, Unitarians, Methodists, Anglicans, Jehovah\'s Witnesses... all are slices of the pie.  All are Christians.  

Sorry you didn\'t know.  :)


If you\'re going to say you "don\'t give a flying flip", then technically you aren\'t anything.

And believe me, that pie is very broad and general, because Mormons are NOT Christian. Not even close man, they have views and beliefs way off the wall. Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.

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« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2004, 11:05:44 AM »
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If you\'re going to say you "don\'t give a flying flip", then technically you aren\'t anything.

And believe me, that pie is very broad and general, because Mormons are NOT Christian. Not even close man, they have views and beliefs way off the wall. Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.
Vapor, I know some Mormons who would strongly disagree with you about being called "NOT Christians."  :)  Not even close?  Get real.  They are called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Just because they don\'t observe things the way you do doesn\'t make them NOT Christians.
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« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2004, 11:47:17 AM »
They claim to be Christians but you won\'t find a single cross in any LDS temple. And of course they would strongly disagree, because they want to be recognized as a Christian faith.

AND YES NOT EVEN CLOSE. Get educated buddy, I\'ll help you.

Mormons believe they can become their own God. That\'s blasphemous because it is stated in the Bible that there is only one God, and to worship only Him.

They believe in many "levels" of heaven. The highest being the "Celestial Kingdom", oh and if your spouse isn\'t Mormon you cannot enter this super heaven.

If you are unmarried, you will be encouraged to marry a good Mormon as soon as possible. When you do marry, in a wedding ceremony in the temple, your non-Mormon family members and friends will not be allowed to attend the ceremony, because only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter the temple.

They even believe they can baptize the dead and make them advance through these levels of heaven.

And they\'re founded by some guy named Joseph Smith who claims to have had visions.

I can\'t think of anymore, but a quick Google search should help

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Mormon theology teaches that god used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn\'t exist.
     
Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil" (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience" (Articles, p. 81). This contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).
     
To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold.  It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teach it. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.
     
Mormonism, to justify its aberrant theology, has undermined the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible.  The 8th article of faith from the Mormon Church states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly."  The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS church.  Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do not.  They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it.  For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean "no other gods of this world."  They do not trust what it says and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly.  This is what I have encountered numerous times when speaking to Mormons.
     
Why is Mormonism a non Christian cult? Because it adds works to salvation. It denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator. It alters the biblical teaching of the atonement. It contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism. It undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.


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« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2004, 11:49:25 AM »
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Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.

Taken from Merriam Webster:

Chris·tian \'kris-chun
1. One who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
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« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2004, 11:55:23 AM »
I know that mormon and his tenth wife believe in jesus.
And we all know how much the Cat priest believe in the teaching of jesus.

Yeah sure they are christians
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« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2004, 11:55:48 AM »
Christian = A person who professes Jesus as Christ.

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« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2004, 11:56:57 AM »
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I know that mormon and his tenth wife believe in jesus.
And we all know much the Cat priest believe in the teaching of jesus.

Yeah sure they are christians


Did you not read anything posted above? Muslims are closer to being Christians than Mormons.

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« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2004, 11:58:22 AM »
Following a quick Google search of sites that are not anti-mormon propaganda:

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THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS


History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
1 WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.


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