Bush is trying to ban gay marriages nation-wide.... wow.

Making it a norm and just accepting it are two different things.  It\'s a shame that people could be so close-minded as to treat them like second class citizens.

I didn\'t realize that the status of ones citizenship in this country depended on one being allowed to participate in Holy matrimony...

Originally posted by Bjorn
GigaShadow: I hope you never get a guy son/daughter cause that would be hell for him/her. Open your mind

It would be hell for me as well.  

On another note, I love being attacked by so called philanthropists on this board for not supporting the idea of gay marriage.  I am all for them having civil unions, but that doesn\'t seem to be good enough for the activist bunch here. :rolleyes:

Thats great that you will atleast appease them enough to give them civil unions. :rolleyes:  How you speak of homosexuals is what  hurts your cause and is half the reason why I\'m debating with you.

I am entitled to my opinion... as you are to yours.  Neither is going to change.

This is true, never said you couldn\'t have that opinion.  Also, don\'t think that I\'m completely ignoring the fact that you are for Civil Unions, thats better than most.

Civil unions would probably put a quick end to this but what\'s happening in San Fran and Massachusetts is making some people who think civil unions are OK turning their back on that as well.

What really pisses me off about this debate is that anyone who opposes this is instantly called a bigot or homophobe.

[Titan]

We had this discussion in class today. Now I don\'t understand why one needs to get married. If you live with your boy/girlfriend for 6 months, same residence and a joint account, you get the same benefits as a married couple. Now what I don\'t understand is why two men or women want to get married if they reap the same benefits as a married couple. Maybe it has to do with a piece of paper. Now it makes me question about hetero marriages. If you get the same legal benefits if you get married to a woman (hetero meaning), what is the point to get married? I can still procreate without getting married. I can still have crazy hot sex without getting married.

Originally posted by Ace
Civil unions would probably put a quick end to this but what\'s happening in San Fran and Massachusetts is making some people who think civil unions are OK turning their back on that as well.

What really pisses me off about this debate is that anyone who opposes this is instantly called a bigot or homophobe.

When you have someone saying they won\'t ever attend a same sex marriage and calling it a farce kind of reinforces that.

Seriously, what reason is there to not letting them marry other than being a bigot or homophobe?  It\'s a form of non-acceptance, maybe not as harsh as being called a bigot.

Why must we who don\'t want it be forced to accept it?  Why is it in this country that the tiny vocal minority almost always gets what it wants regardless of what the majority wants?  As Ace said its funny that because some of us don\'t accept homosexuality as a normal thing we are labeled bigots and homophobes.

Originally posted by Titan
I can still have crazy hot sex without getting married.

Ah, the wise words of a 17 year old...

(kettle...pot...black... i know, shutup)

[Living-In-Clip]

I just don\'t understand this whole "sanitcy" of marraige, when really it\'s not that big of a deal. It is primiarly a religious act. Shouldn\'t religion be seperated from the state? If they are allowed civil unions - we may as allow them to have the right to a religious marrriage.
My two cents, as I said.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why must we who don\'t want it be forced to accept it?  Why is it in this country that the tiny vocal minority almost always gets what it wants regardless of what the majority wants?  As Ace said its funny that because some of us don\'t accept homosexuality as a normal thing we are labeled bigots and homophobes.

It\'s only funny because it\'s partially true.  You won\'t agree to them being allowed to marry because you say it will ruin what has been made, only because they are gay.  That can be explained as simply as homophobia, or maybe you\'re just a plain old bigot.  You\'ve restated yourself a thousand times that it\'s against the norms of the country to accept it.  But just because they don\'t accept it doesn\'t mean you have to disagree also.  You are just practicing your right to dislike them for being different.  You aren\'t nearly as innocent as you\'re trying to make yourself out to be.

Also, when did I ever say the minority should decide?  Oh really, not once I hear, wow.  What the country decides as a majority is what goes but that doesn\'t mean I\'ll just step in line and agree.

[SirMystiq]

^^^
The majority doesn\'t always win. Year 2000 elections...

Never once did anybody explain what the "institution" of marriage means or is.

You might consider the homosexuals right now as a minority. A minority that is beind suppresed by the close mindness of the majority. You might even make a slight comparison to minorities back in the days when racism was greater(not that it\'s over). The homosexuals are going to fight for their rights and eventually will succeed. You can\'t ban a person\'s right to love and show their love through marriage.

The only weddings that don\'t exist and are false are the ones that happen for other reasons than love, respect and the willingness to live with the other person for the rest of your life.

I don\'t know what majority you speak off Giga, show me some realistic stats that proves it. And none of the:

"Mr. Bling-Bling, you don\'t have any idea of how intelligent I am. I highly doubt that you watch the news because your too busy watching rap videos. Your stupidity is greatly showing through your moronic..." blah blah blah

Originally posted by SirMystiq
^^^
The majority doesn\'t always win. Year 2000 elections...

Never once did anybody explain what the "institution" of marriage means or is.

You might consider the homosexuals right now as a minority. A minority that is beind suppresed by the close mindness of the majority. You might even make a slight comparison to minorities back in the days when racism was greater(not that it\'s over). The homosexuals are going to fight for their rights and eventually will succeed. You can\'t ban a person\'s right to love and show their love through marriage.

The only weddings that don\'t exist and are false are the ones that happen for other reasons than love, respect and the willingness to live with the other person for the rest of your life.

I don\'t know what majority you speak off Giga, show me some realistic stats that proves it. And none of the:

"Mr. Bling-Bling, you don\'t have any idea of how intelligent I am. I highly doubt that you watch the news because your too busy watching rap videos. Your stupidity is greatly showing through your moronic..." blah blah blah

Mystiq... get a dictionary and look up the definition of marriage.  Nevermind here it is:

\\Mar"riage\\, n. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife; wedlock; matrimony.

Homosexuals will always be in the minority.  At least you and the entire species better hope so.

Once again you don\'t think before you post - You don\'t know of what majority I speak of?  Take a look whelp...

"However, when it comes to state laws, just 30 percent would favor a law allowing gays and lesbians to marry a partner of the same sex, while 64 percent would oppose it."  That is an overwhelming majority that don\'t approve of gay marriage."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112534,00.html

Please don\'t respond unless you have something valid to debate Mystiq.  It is a waste of my time.