Bush is trying to ban gay marriages nation-wide.... wow.

Giga, check your ego at the door.

Also, you know what I think is funny?  The fact that you complain about being labeled but when I give my reasoning you don\'t address it.

Originally posted by Bozco
Giga, check your ego at the door.

Also, you know what I think is funny?  The fact that you complain about being labeled but when I give my reasoning you don\'t address it.

You claim you are somehow enlightened and open minded because you support something that is morally wrong.  I don\'t have any problem with homosexuals as people, I don\'t approve of their culture or lifestyle - therefore I do have a problem with them wanting to invade my culture with their beliefs.  What you consider an attack, I consider a defensive action.

As I said, I have no problem with them as people and if they want to bugger someone of the same sex - go for it, just don\'t try and portray "your" lifestyle as acceptable when in fact it is not.

I think that most people who are against gay marriages don\'t have close friends who are gay (I have several, as does my wife).  These are just my feelings, I could very well be wrong about that with members of this board.  My gay friends (the ones that aren\'t swingers) show so much love and affection for each other, easily equal to, or even surpassing many heterosexual or "normal" marriages.  

People who don\'t even want to consider the fact that gay couples love each other just as much as straight couples shows a closed mind in my opinion.(like bjorn said earlier)

And I don\'t know if those of you who oppose gay marriage have children, and how would / will you handle it if one of your kids turn out gay.  Would you be one of those swell parents that will pretty much forget that they even exist?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You claim you are somehow enlightened and open minded because you support something that is morally wrong.  I don\'t have any problem with homosexuals as people, I don\'t approve of their culture or lifestyle - therefore I do have a problem with them wanting to invade my culture with their beliefs.  What you consider an attack, I consider a defensive action.

As I said, I have no problem with them as people and if they want to bugger someone of the same sex - go for it, just don\'t try and portray "your" lifestyle as acceptable when in fact it is not.

Naming morals and legally banning is treading closely with the mixing of church and state.

Then if it is a religious issue, gay marriage is wrong and a sin.  The bible certainly defines marriage as being between a man and a woman does it not?

That is why civil unions are the answer.  It is a compromise that everyone can live with.  Also don\'t kid yourself about not mixing church and state... its already happened for the most part.  NOTE:  I am not religious, but you would have to be blind not to realize that religion (Christianity) is embedded in our government, from our money to the pledge of allegiance to the swearing in of officials its there.

Originally posted by JBean

People who don\'t even want to consider the fact that gay couples love each other just as much as straight couples shows a closed mind in my opinion.(like bjorn said earlier)

 

I never once said they didn\'t love each other as much as heterosexual couples do.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Then if it is a religious issue, gay marriage is wrong and a sin.  The bible certainly defines marriage as being between a man and a woman does it not?

That is why civil unions are the answer.  It is a compromise that everyone can live with.  Also don\'t kid yourself about not mixing church and state... its already happened for the most part.  NOTE:  I am not religious, but you would have to be blind not to realize that religion (Christianity) is embedded in our government, from our money to the pledge of allegiance to the swearing in of officials its there.

Religion playing a role in that part of the government doesn\'t make it right, especially when instead of swearing in someone, it\'s the difference on a persons rights.  Religion should play no role AT ALL, which right now it does far too much.

Gigashadow, I am not going to debate whether it is morally wrong or not.

But, I will debate whether it is the government, or the majoritys right to inforce their moral opinions on other people.

Don\'t be so quick to judge people.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Then if it is a religious issue, gay marriage is wrong and a sin.  The bible certainly defines marriage as being between a man and a woman does it not?

That is why civil unions are the answer.  It is a compromise that everyone can live with.  Also don\'t kid yourself about not mixing church and state... its already happened for the most part.  NOTE:  I am not religious, but you would have to be blind not to realize that religion (Christianity) is embedded in our government, from our money to the pledge of allegiance to the swearing in of officials its there.

i agree 100% here..i\'ve stated before marriage is between man & woman period. that said i don\'t have a problem with them getting married, but i think someone here  said it best that it will open the floodgates to a whole bunch of other S**t.

Now that\'s the only part where i agree with giga,..i would still attend a gay wedding & such,..as i know a few gay people and they are cool as hell, heh one i know is even thugged out (you wouldn\'t know it tho ) there was a thread where i spoke about my son seeing two men kissing I can\'t remember what thread that was,..basically he stated illl, or uh uh not me..and i just told him some men & women are in relationships and left it at that.

I am a Christian and I try to live my life as close to God\'s word as I can.  I am a true believer that Church and State should be seperate.  While I do see Homosexuality as a sin, it\'s not my place to judge these people or deny them all this country has to offer.  (that goes for our laws as well)

It\'s a pretty sensitive issue for everyone, I don\'t see anything wrong with giving them their civil unions.  I just see it as a "lesser" quailty of commitment.  I see it equating to equal rights and homosexuals don\'t have them as of now.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Mystiq... get a dictionary and look up the definition of marriage.  Nevermind here it is:

\\Mar"riage\\, n. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife; wedlock; matrimony.

Homosexuals will always be in the minority.  At least you and the entire species better hope so.

Once again you don\'t think before you post - You don\'t know of what majority I speak of?  Take a look whelp...

"However, when it comes to state laws, just 30 percent would favor a law allowing gays and lesbians to marry a partner of the same sex, while 64 percent would oppose it."  That is an overwhelming majority that don\'t approve of gay marriage."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112534,00.html

Please don\'t respond unless you have something valid to debate Mystiq.  It is a waste of my time.

Majorities have won in the past. But only to protect the rights of whatever kind of people are being banned from their rights. This time the majority is against banning a persons rights. As stated before, this is the kind of oppression the majority loses. It\'s happened before and as long as this government really does wish to keep everybody\'s rights intact, it will happen once more.

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even rosie o\'donnel just tied the knot..yo..ever since she came out..(well we all knew she was already)...she\'s been straight butch! heh you know she\'s the MAN in her relationship!

If you wanna be gay that is your life. But don\'t go trying to change shit to fit your lives. If marriage was meant for a man and women then that is what it is meant for.

Be gay live together and be happy but don\'t be trying to change shit so everybody has to conform to your life style.

That is what pisses me off about the gays. They want this and that.

Being gay is something that you choose to do plain and simple. I don\'t have a problem with your choice just keep it too yourself and don\'t try and force me to except it.

Originally posted by QuDDus
If you wanna be gay that is your life. But don\'t go trying to change shit to fit your lives. If marriage was meant for a man and women then that is what it is meant for.

Be gay live together and be happy but don\'t be trying to change shit so everybody has to conform to your life style.

That is what pisses me off about the gays. They want this and that.

Being gay is something that you choose to do plain and simple. I don\'t have a problem with your choice just keep it too yourself and don\'t try and force me to except it.

Listen to what you\'re saying.  You think they\'re crying, asking for attention, trying to get you to conform.  But what this is about is equal rights.  Also, how are you conforming any?  Them being allowed to marry affects your life NONE.

Originally posted by Bozco
Listen to what you\'re saying.  You think they\'re crying, asking for attention, trying to get you to conform.  But what this is about is equal rights.  Also, how are you conforming any?  Them being allowed to marry affects your life NONE.

Well directly know they will not affect my life. But I think somethings should be left alone.

I mean just because you decide you wanna be different means all of sudden you should be given certain rights.

Unlike womens rights, african american rights or such. This is totally different. This you choosing to have sex with the same sex so now everyone must accept it?  I don\'t have a problem with them having sex just don\'t try and change laws to make it right in everyones eyes.