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Offline Falgarok
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« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2004, 09:24:04 AM »
With all due respect, GigaShadow, I don\'t think you know what you\'re talking about this time.

I\'m seeing that a lot of people from the US are trying to DECIDE what happened with the elections, instead of asking what happened, maybe influenced by their own internal debate over the 11-S and Bush following decisions.
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« Reply #91 on: March 19, 2004, 10:32:53 AM »
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With all due respect, GigaShadow, I don\'t think you know what you\'re talking about this time.

I\'m seeing that a lot of people from the US are trying to DECIDE what happened with the elections, instead of asking what happened, maybe influenced by their own internal debate over the 11-S and Bush following decisions.


What is 11-S?  Speak English.  

If you are trying the say that the Spanish voting a new government in was not a result of the bombings you are sadly mistaken.  The new Spanish PM is a wuss and is giving in to Spanish public opinion which sadly thinks appeasing terrorists will save them in the long run.  I pity your country and the spineless way it has handled its own tragedy.
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« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2004, 10:35:07 AM »
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With all due respect, GigaShadow, I don\'t think you know what you\'re talking about this time.

I\'m seeing that a lot of people from the US are trying to DECIDE what happened with the elections, instead of asking what happened, maybe influenced by their own internal debate over the 11-S and Bush following decisions.


I heard Osama will spare Spaniards his wrath. Feeling safe yet?
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« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2004, 10:36:07 AM »
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I heard Osama will spare Spaniards his wrath. Feeling safe yet?


The sad thing is I think they do. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2004, 11:18:39 AM »
Giga: Was Polands president a coward when he considered to take his soldiers home?

But then he magically backed down after getting a phone call from Bush.. I wonder what he promised this time. ;)
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« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2004, 11:21:08 AM »
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Giga: Was Polands president a coward when he considered to take his soldiers home?

But then he magically backed down after getting a phone call from Bush.. I wonder what he promised this time. ;)


He was misquoted... don\'t believe me... check any news site.  Besides Poland wasn\'t attacked... Even France and Germany have not supported Spain\'s new position on Iraq or at the very least have been awful quiet about it.  Face it, the decision to pull out of Iraq is wrong and a victory for terrorism - there is no way you can sugar coat it.
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« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2004, 11:30:26 AM »
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He was misquoted... don\'t believe me... check any news site.  


Yeah, thats how it usually sounds when you change your mind. ;)

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Speaking to European reporters Thursday Kwasniewski said he still considers Saddam\'s overthrow a good thing for Iraq, but added, "They deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that\'s true. We were taken for a ride."


 
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Poland is a staunch ally of the United States in the war on terror, sending 9,000 troops to Iraq. Bush telephoned Kwasniewski following news reports of the statement that the Polish president said reporters had misinterpreted.


Hmm.. ;) Why did he not react directly after the news spread, why did he wait until prez Bush called?

Bush: We will take back all investments!
Aleksander *bendover* Kwasniewski: Wops, I was misquoted.. I promise.. Here a pretzel?
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« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2004, 11:34:41 AM »
Your version is completely out of context - by "they" he means the Iraqi\'s.  Spin it any way you want fastson, Spain is wrong and deep down you know it.
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« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2004, 11:35:50 AM »
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Bush: We will take back all investments!
Aleksander *bendover* Kwasniewski: Wops, I was misquoted.. I promise.. Here a pretzel?


Is that Swedish humor?  Must have been lost in the translation. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #99 on: March 19, 2004, 11:38:51 AM »
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Is that Swedish humor?  Must have been lost in the translation. :rolleyes:


:laughing: ... No! :(

You are no fun. :evil:
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« Reply #100 on: March 19, 2004, 11:43:37 AM »
Hey fastson I found some more dirt on Sweden wanna see?
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« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2004, 11:47:01 AM »
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Hey fastson I found some more dirt on Sweden wanna see?


Ah, I get it.. Your idea of fun? ;)

Let Falgarok respond.

If you want to you can send it via PM, I think the members are pretty tired of hearing about Sweden. :p
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« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2004, 12:12:11 PM »
I say let\'s all have a beer when they catch Osama and Iraq is on its own. I\'d beat both yer asses in a game of GT4. With my eyes closed and NO CONTROLLER! That\'s how good I am. :p
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« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2004, 12:21:38 PM »
Bleh I am debating the illogical ways of socialism with fastson in PM\'s right now... ;)
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« Reply #104 on: March 19, 2004, 12:42:20 PM »
Frankly, GigaShadow, I\'d think that I know better what happened than you do.

Everything is much more complex than you think; I\'ll give you the details, so you can judge for yourself what happened.

The main thing that you have to understand, is that in the last four years our government, has been completely ignoring us after they got a full majority in the past elections.

Apart from many other things (that I\'m not going to list here, but caused a lot of social conflict), they unilaterally decided to support Iraq invasion, despite the fact that more than 90% of the population was against it and there were demonstrations with millions of spaniards in the streets.

Then, last week, AQ attacked four trains full of passengers, most of them students and workers, with the result of more than +200 dead, and +1,500 wounded.

Most people were sad or angry about the attacks, but nothing else. We\'ve been living with terrorist attacks for more than 30 years, and have first hand experience with how terrorists work.

I think that if they had said AQ was responsible for the attacks from the start, and that they were going to do their best to fight against them, most people in Spain would have understood; PP would have lost some votes, but they would have gained some as well from the people who was angry about the attacks; the same thing happened to Bush, and he gained popularity.

But they didn\'t.

The last four days previous to the elections, they were trying to hide information from the citizens about AQ\'s involvement in the terrorist attack (including amazing levels of media manipulation, in fear that it could affect their re-election in some way.

When the details about AQs involvement were leaked into the public opinion a few hours after the attacks, all their strategy backfired, but they kept lying; a lot of spaniards took that as a disrespect for those who had died in the attacks .

Despite that, most people didn\'t change their vote; PP lost about a million voters from the last elections (most of them, before the attacks actually happened), which would have been enough to win this time as well. What changed with the attacks and the following manipulation, is that they gave a reason to vote to a lot of the people who usually don\'t give a damn about elections (mainly young people, who was already fed up with their despotic government).

That new blood the government lies brought into the equation, is what gave the PSOE enough votes to win, not because we feared being attacked. We had already been attacked and knew that we\'re going to be part of AQ\'s list of objectives for years, no matter what. We knew that from the moment our government supported the war, and that didn\'t change last year\'s elections (the PP won).

It\'s not different than if Bush were kicked out of the White House after he lied about the mass destruction weapons. It\'s matter of respect.
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