What are we doing?!

Originally posted by Titan
I swear to GOD no one reads my posts. This is from THIS thread what I said about WMDs earlier.

Like i said.. NOT REAL WMD found.

We tend to think that WMD can include the odd Lab here and there but the real practicalites of having a WMD programme meas you have to go large SCALE... AND maintain a  constant production because most chemical & Biological agents have a Very Short shelf life.

Also They had Jack Shit in the Way of delivery.

I wonder if Saddam is thinking to himself, "Osama shouldn\'t have pushed to have the WTC destroyed, then I\'d still have a country."

We went into Iraq because we wanted the world to be a safer place.  The Bush administration never want another 9/11 to happen again, so instead of just going after Afghanistan they went for target #2 and got Iraq.  Who knows what would have been next (or if) but the way things are going it looks like Iraq will be the last stop in the Mideast... until another 9/11 happens.

Wondering if the crazies realize that if they hurt the US there will just be more mideast presence.

[Titan]

Originally posted by ooseven
Like i said.. NOT REAL WMD found.

But wouldn\'t the chemical and biological weapons they have still classify as a "real" WMD?

Mystiq, I have seen plenty of news stories a few months back of warheads and weapons labs/stockpiles of nothing but chemical and biological weapons. They are reporting them.

They are reporting shit that is useless. chem/bio weapons they find are basically no more harmless than sniffing anmonia(sp?) too long. The delivery systems are also outdated and most arent even complete.

The US are comming up empty...bigtime.

[Titan]

I\'m sure the real potent stuff is buried in the sand somewhere and we will never find it.

And that too will be useless when and ever it is found.

But while we are on buring things in the sand...dont forget about millions of barrels of oil...billions in cash..3 palaces and a city the size of san francisco.......

[SirMystiq]

We\'ll I don\'t think it\'s going to help the cause if we can ever find them now is it?

Nope.

Hmmm Still no WMD found....

Also the Spanish are pulling out.

Looks like the whole place is turning in to an even more SHIT hole that it was a year a ago.

How will the USA win in Afganistan, and how will they win in Iraq?
Please, Iraq will cost the USA 2000+ soldiers a year in terrorist attacks, i guess Bush couldnt\' find terrorists so he had to manufacturer them .....   Bush = fag

Bush should concentrate on the assHolz like Bin Laden and his ilk and  not force his "Bullzhit" democracy on other nations. I guess the Iraqi\'s dont\' want to become a puppet state, anything is better than that i guess.

[Titan]

They won\'t be a "puppet state". They will be a free country if they pull their shit together and stop relying on us to fight their battles for them.

The USA is as credible as a drunken Ho saying she didn\'t get paid for head.

Bush kissing Sharon’s ass last week really nailed the last nail in the coffin for American unbiased peace brokering in the middle east. So does anyone think we will be credible when it comes to Iraq or Afghanistan?

[clips]

Originally posted by Titan
They won\'t be a "puppet state". They will be a free country if they pull their shit together and stop relying on us to fight their battles for them.

that\'s a little premature to say..the u.s. are the ones that came in there,.. wrecked havoc, and basically broke down the military,..how can you say they need to fight when they have no army to fight with? that\'s like another country comin into the u.s. defeats whoever is in charge & then isurgents from our regime rise up and then the foreign country states to you & me "ok go fight for your country now!"

how do you expect you or me to fight when we don\'t have weapons or access to any weapons? the point is we\'re just average joes in the game & our response would be "wtf are you talkin\' bout?" It\'s bad policy if you\'re just gonna come to a country blow s**t up then when s**t hits the fan you tell the people "ok go handle your business.. go fight" with what? yea the u.s. trained some of the iraq police force but they aren\'t ready to police themselves & govern the iraq people..hell sadr & his peeps took over several police stations with ease..

sheeit every time i see an iraqi police officer they don\'t even have bullet proof vests on..

[Titan]

Originally posted by clips
that\'s a little premature to say..the u.s. are the ones that came in there,.. wrecked havoc, and basically broke down the military,..how can you say they need to fight when they have no army to fight with? that\'s like another country comin into the u.s. defeats whoever is in charge & then isurgents from our regime rise up and then the foreign country states to you & me "ok go fight for your country now!"how do you expect you or me to fight when we don\'t have weapons or access to any weapons?

I see your point now. I wasn\'t saying that we should pull out, I was just saying that the people should start fighting for themselves and not rely on the US so much. And the weapons part; the people can get weapons easily enough. Look at all those militias that started from nothing in Iraq. Its not that hard to get an AK47 or even some M16s (if our govenment gave them some old model M16 rifles). But this could create new problems that will give us a headache. We need to help them establish a military first so they could defeat those factions, which is more easily said than done.

the point is we\'re just average joes in the game & our response would be "wtf are you talkin\' bout?" It\'s bad policy if you\'re just gonna come to a country blow s**t up then when s**t hits the fan you tell the people "ok go handle your business.. go fight" with what? yea the u.s. trained some of the iraq police force but they aren\'t ready to police themselves & govern the iraq people..hell sadr & his peeps took over several police stations with ease..

sheeit every time i see an iraqi police officer they don\'t even have bullet proof vests on..

Totally agree with you there.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Titan
I see your point now. I wasn\'t saying that we should pull out, I was just saying that the people should start fighting for themselves and not rely on the US so much.

Totally agree with you there.

I think that he also pointed out that they have no choice now. The people of Iraq didn\'t ask to be freed, sure it was implied but hey what are they supposed to do? They don\'t have a good army, and half of it died fighting for Hussain? It\'s not that they aren\'t trying to fight they\'re own battles, it\'s just that the US started the battle, and now it\'s our neck in the line for them.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
I think that he also pointed out that they have no choice now. The people of Iraq didn\'t ask to be freed, sure it was implied but hey what are they supposed to do? They don\'t have a good army, and half of it died fighting for Hussain? It\'s not that they aren\'t trying to fight they\'re own battles, it\'s just that the US started the battle, and now it\'s our neck in the line for them.

There are 3 problems in Iraq that are hindering their self rule:

1.  Foreign Terrorists
2.  Sunni\'s
3.  Shiites

The first group is obvious... the other two groups dislike each other.  This whole problem stems from British colonialism when Britain divided the Middle East up into countries regardless of religious and cultural differences between the people in the newly created countries.  Granted, hindsight is 20/20 and it is hard to blame Britain for something that is happening 30-40 years after the fact.