Is it double standards ?

Attacks her neighbours, HAS WMD & destabilizes the local region.


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• Attacks her neighbours
• HAS WMD
• Destabilizes the local region & indeed the whole world.
• In breach of a large number of United Nation resolutions

So… Why didn’t we Attack or even punish Israel ?

I mean we invaded Iraq for less.

Discuss
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You are mixing apples and oranges.  Israel is attacked by terrorist who are sponsored by Arab countries on a daily basis.  

How does Israel destabilize the region?  The Arabs are the ones who have vowed to destroy Israel - not the other way around.

As far as the land goes - It is the Arabs own fault, they attack Israel with superior numbers and get their asses handed to them not once, but twice!  Israel deserves to keep the land IMO.

or even punish Israel

Veto

Who did Israel attack?

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I don\'t see why Israel and Palestine can\'t share the land. I guess its human instincts of territory. They feel it is theirs and will fight for it.

Its not the territory itself, its the religious significance that surrounds it. Because Israel is a really lousy strip of land.

The United States is a mostly Christian Country, and as you may know Jesus was a Jew, and in the Bible God promised some of the land that belongs to the Palestinians now to Israel.

Israel and much of Christendom in the U.S. say \'Israel must be in the right place when the end comes

So in the view of mostly Christian America , punishing Israel for it\'s illegal occupation of Palestinian land would be to go against God\'s will (Israel must be doing right in anything they do since they are God\'s people is the mindset)

Another double standard would be the long held view that states "We don\'t negotiate with terrorists."

Now, most generals of America have called the fighters in Fallujah terrorists, yet they are currently are negotiating with them ,

They are negotiating with the city officials... is your reading comprehension that low?  Also thanks for the 3rd grade Sunday school lesson...

I guess its worse to believe the Jews are God\'s Chosen people than to believe you will get 20 virgins in Paradise if you strap a bomb to yourself and kill innocent children...  

Anyway it is true that Judaism and Christianity have more in common with each other than Islam.  Islam is the youngest religion and I believe we are in the middle of a cultural war - civilized society vs. radical Islam.  I believe our closeness with Israel is due to the fact they are one of the few if not the only stable democracy in the region.  

Lastly, the "illegal" occupation as you call it is the Arabs own doing.  That is what they get for trying to destroy Israel twice and failing... badly.

God\'s on Israel\'s side.

Because most American\'s have no idea about the bad stuff we and our allies do. Americans overall are blind to other countries actions.

Sad but true.

I find it very upsetting that we can\'t have a normal disscusion on Israel without the potential for someone to jump up and shout ....

"Your being ANTI-SEMITIC!" if you say anything against Israel.


Anyway i still find it strange that this one country can get away with soo much without any come back from the international community.

like doing missile attacks on a Refugee Camps (one prime example).

Originally posted by GigaShadow

I guess its worse to believe the Jews are God\'s Chosen people than to believe you will get 20 virgins in Paradise if you strap a bomb to yourself and kill innocent children...  

um where did u get that 20 virgins info from?????... (first time i hear of it)

as for the whole Israel issue and why it gets away with everything, well its really simple and as fasty put it ..its the US veto.

Lastly, the "illegal" occupation as you call it is the Arabs own doing. That is what they get for trying to destroy Israel twice and failing... badly.

how is it the Arabs doing that Isreal continues the illegal occupation of palestinean terretories?.

Originally posted by Tyrant

how is it the Arabs doing that Isreal continues the illegal occupation of palestinean terretories?.

Is it not true that according to Islam (or some sect) you are promised a place in paradise with (insert number here) virgins if you die a martyr?  

Lets start with a history lesson:  

Since the UN\'s name is being tossed around a lot in this thread lets start there - The UN approved the partition of Palestine to form a Jewish state of Israel.  The Arabs didn\'t approve of this.

The first Arab Israeli War started in 1948 when the armies of Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Syria, Lebanon and Iraq joined Palestinian and other Arab guerillas in attacking Israel.  Israel ended up defeating all six nations and the UN brokered 4 seperate Peace Treaties.  There were several other wars throughout the sixties and seventies - the Yom Kippur War for example, where Egypt and Syria attacked Israel on it\'s holiest day.  Granted the US supported Israel with aid, but most Arabs and anti Israeli\'s tend forget that the USSR supported the Arab states in this conflict with aid as well.  

If you look at any map of Israel and Palestine prior to this attack you will Palestine had much more territory than Israel - illegal occupation?   I don\'t think so... The Arabs tried to "illegally" destroy Israel\'s right to exist and lost.  To this day only Egypt and Jordan agree with Israel\'s right to exist so I don\'t blame them for not giving back the West Bank.  Egypt used diplomacy and peace to get back the Sinai Penninsula from Israel by recognizing its right to exist.  Is it Israel\'s fault if Syria and the Palestinians refuse to do the same?  

I agree with Bush\'s support of Israel not giving back any of the territory it won in a war it did not start.  The PALS don\'t want peace and in the same process don\'t really want a country for themselves.  Even fellow Arabs look down on PALS.  It is the Arabs doing by not recognizing Israel\'s right to exist and vowing the destruction of Israel.  I used to feel sorry for the PALS, but not anymore - they don\'t want peace - that is evident by their constant attacks on Israeli civilians.  They are also barbaric in sending naive innocent children to military checkpoints packing bombs.  Truly disgusting.  

Originally posted by ViVi
Because most American\'s have no idea about the bad stuff we and our allies do. Americans overall are blind to other countries actions.

Sad but true.

What is sad is people like you turn a blind eye to really horrible things enemies of the US do to their own people as well as our allies (ie. children being used as suicide bombers).

thats nice some one who actually knows the history of it all.. but to correct you in the first war it wasnt israel alone that defeated the all those countries it was with the help of britain and france i think...
as for the other wars well not much can be said really....

and regarding the last point well i somewhat agree with u but saying that the palestineans dont want peace is absurd, not everyone (palestinean, israeli or otherwise) wants to see a loved one or commrade get hurt (or killed), just coz their are some groups (on both sides mind you) that have no other reason to exsist but to keep the war going and create more carnage doesnt mean that all the other people dont want peace.
as for the pals attacking isreali civillians well in that same context the isreali\'s are not justified in killing palestinean civillians, i could care less if they attack members of the militia\'s but putting a .50cal bullet thru the head of a 14 year old palestinean throwing a stone aint justified.