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« Reply #150 on: April 27, 2004, 11:16:21 PM »
Just b/c weed is often tried first should not make it the gateway.

So why isnt alcohol or tobacco also known as gateway drugs? Both have been classified as a type of drug or another and are usually tried b4 weed.
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« Reply #151 on: April 27, 2004, 11:23:49 PM »
Possibly because it\'s already legal, while weed on the other hand isn\'t.  I\'m not entirely against it, I just feel weed isn\'t worth it.

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« Reply #152 on: April 27, 2004, 11:24:29 PM »
Because they are fully legal. If they were illegal. Most likely would be called the major gateway drug.


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« Reply #153 on: April 27, 2004, 11:25:36 PM »
Actually, I wasnt being high and mighty...you and you alone assumed that.

I did keep on discussing without missing a beat.

it has plenty if you havent noticed. If you are discouraging to female posters it is obvious. Consdiering it was obvious I am of the fairer sex.

Some may, some might. The majority didnt seem to. I also did not say EVERYONE knows nothing about the subject.


Let me ask you something. Have a problem with assertive females? Or bitches as many of you call us?
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« Reply #154 on: April 27, 2004, 11:27:15 PM »
^ u think your assertive.  lol u gotta meet my gf. ;)
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« Reply #155 on: April 27, 2004, 11:27:18 PM »
They have all been legal or illegal at one point int ime with the exception of tobacco.

Legalities truely have nothing to do with being a gateway or not.
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« Reply #156 on: April 27, 2004, 11:28:42 PM »
They do when it comes to studies. You\'ll find most people don\'t even look at tobacco or alcohol as being a major contender to whats a gateway drug. But tend to study what is a gateway drug in the illegal scene.
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« Reply #157 on: April 27, 2004, 11:29:35 PM »
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^ u think your assertive.  lol u gotta meet my gf. ;)


Oh there is more, I just dont want to come on too strong being new and all.
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« Reply #158 on: April 27, 2004, 11:32:25 PM »
I didn\'t realize your genger till I had already put both of those post together.  Now you\'re assuming, I hadn\'t read your welcome thread yet so I had no true way in knowing.  Think of it as me responding as if you were a guy.  I did post in the welcoming thread trying to clear things up.

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« Reply #159 on: April 27, 2004, 11:33:09 PM »
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Refer is not a scapegoat no matter how hard people try to make it be one.


I respect your opinion and although I realize you are really pro for this drug, I fail to see your reasoning for this statement.  If I\'m reading this quote correctly, you are saying that marijuana is not responsible for any deaths, whatsoever, in the world and should therefore not be labeled as some type of proverbial scapegoat.  Though it contains chemicals that are potentially harmful to the body (given of course that large quantities are inhaled over time just like cigarettes and alcohol), it has never killed one person.  Though it alters your perception in varying situations to varying degrees depending on all the different exceptions to the rule that have been given -- stupidity mainly, it is still not responsible for one death.

Did I read that right or did you mean something else?  I just want to clarify that really bold statement before I continue saying anything.
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« Reply #160 on: April 27, 2004, 11:35:29 PM »
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They do when it comes to studies. You\'ll find most people don\'t even look at tobacco or alcohol as being a major contender to whats a gateway drug. But tend to study what is a gateway drug in the illegal scene.


so whos fault would that be?
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« Reply #161 on: April 27, 2004, 11:44:14 PM »
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Here\'s a question for you.   After alcohol and tobacco. Whats the most likely drug of choice.  I\'m guessing pot above the rest.  Also, am i more stronger minded then you for saying No to drugs. Rather then trying them?
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« Reply #162 on: April 27, 2004, 11:58:09 PM »
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I respect your opinion and although I realize you are really pro for this drug, I fail to see your reasoning for this statement.  If I\'m reading this quote correctly, you are saying that marijuana is not responsible for any deaths, whatsoever, in the world and should therefore not be labeled as some type of proverbial scapegoat.  Though it contains chemicals that are potentially harmful to the body (given of course that large quantities are inhaled over time just like cigarettes and alcohol), it has never killed one person.  Though it alters your perception in varying situations to varying degrees depending on all the different exceptions to the rule that have been given -- stupidity mainly, it is still not responsible for one death.

Did I read that right or did you mean something else?  I just want to clarify that really bold statement before I continue saying anything.


Im am pro-smoke for sure but that by no ways means I refuse to accept its negativity. Im quite aware of t he negatives, but its been provent he negatives arent as bad as once thought. This has been known for 20 years and ignored. Thtas my biggest point in here and why I posted that as my  first post in here.

Im saying it shouldnt be a scapegoat b/c it is not the drug itself that makes one want harder stuff, it is the individual. By that rational, someone would have invented something harder than cocaine. They did, it was called crack. Something harder than heroin, they did, it was called meth. Something better than acid, it was X. It wasnt the previous drugs themselves. While you cant have one without the other, you cant blame either.

The fact alone that one would have to consume their body weight in weed in one sitting to OD( and that has yet to be proven so it could be more) is enough in my eyes to start disbelieving the anti-potheads theories about how bad it really is. No one person can realistically do that. Yet I wont close my eyes to possibilities either.

But yes, it isnt directly responsible for one recorded death so far. Not many things in this life can share that, both legal or illegal.

On another note..Id love to do this more tonight, but I need some sleep, its 4am :( I will bb asap though :)
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« Reply #163 on: April 28, 2004, 12:59:33 AM »
Everything in your post can be disputed by one person or another both for or against and it doesn\'t matter to me either way.  The fact of it being a gateway drug makes absolutely no difference to me.  I\'ve been around weed plenty of times in my life, enough to know exactly what it smells like even hours and hours after someone has lit up, but I have never had the need to use it and I don\'t question others for using it either.  That\'s a personal need that some people have that they feel needs to be filled and that\'s their choice.  Whether or not they do crack or anything else because they did weed is inconsequential to me.

However, I have one very serious problem with your post and I\'ll quote it as it reaffirms exactly what I thought you meant beforehand in your earlier post...

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But yes, it isnt directly responsible for one recorded death so far. Not many things in this life can share that, both legal or illegal.


The problem with people who are for the drug is that they treat it in the same vein as crack, cocaine, heroine, pcp, and all the other hard drugs out there simply because it is illegal and the same goes for the people who are against the drug primarily to dissolve any negative connotation it has, but when it comes to arguing for it, it is compared to legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco (which of course includes cigars) and each one is stated as having killed millions of people, millions more then marijuana according to you, and for that reason alone, we should stop being hipocritical and either ban it all, or at least give marijuana the same shot tobacco and alcohol have been given all these years.  But the fact still remains that the contents of marijuana, over a long period of time, just like cigars, cigarettes and alcohol, can perpetually mess you up and cause death no matter how filtered they are.  

There\'s no "safe" alcohol other then rubbing alcohol and that\'s never to be ingested.

There\'s no "safe" smoke other then visible oxygen (which isn\'t visible to the naked eye).

There\'s no "safe" marijuana other then to simply abstain from it altogether.

And saying how you can filter marijuana in a bong doesn\'t get you off the hook either as it still contains plenty of carcinogens that kill tons of people every damn day.  Because most people smoke cigarettes AND smoke marijuana at the same time in their lives certainly doesn\'t dismiss the negative effects marijuana is having on your body whether you realize it or not.

You, just as an example, light up pretty damn often and are only letting up, according to you, because of time constraints.  Vivi, by his own admittance, is giving up because his parents busted him with it.  Would he continue if he didn\'t get busted?  Would you if you had more time?  No one can say for sure.  There\'s no way to know what a person will be doing from one day to the next, but in my own experience, the one that actually counts far more then any survey or scientific study to me, is that I\'ve seen people piss away a ton of cash for their habit.  I\'ve seen people so high, they fell into the street and were nearly killed by a passing car.  I\'ve seen people so high, they drive like maniacs on the road and end up in a bodybag the next morning.  I\'ve seen drunk people start fights, act like total jackasses, then never make it home the next day because they drove into a tree that same night.  I\'ve seen firsthand what cancer can do to you if you keep up your habits over a long period of time.  I\'ve also seen what fast food can do to people who choose to eat it day in and day out without exercising and collapse at the age of 40 with a pullmonary disorder.

I\'ve seen all of this, but what I find most insulting is that you can tell me, and everyone else on this forum, that marijuana doesn\'t kill you.  If you believe that, then you and Vivi are truly meant for each other and you two can light up simply in spite of me, but I refuse to believe that people willingly breathe in cannibis smoke, knowing there are very harmful chemicals in them, and then tell themselves that their cigarette habit or their drinking habit is killing them -- and not their weed.
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« Reply #164 on: April 28, 2004, 02:00:55 AM »
Ryu\'s post in a nut shell.

Anyone thinking dope doesn\'t have any adverse effects is truly deluded.  It\'s insulting to say otherwise ;)
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