Barack Obama

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Heh good post Nicon.  As for the "Massive" KKK rally in Valley Forge Park - that is right near Philly and I will be interested to see the how the Sunday Philly Ledger reports it.  I guarantee there will be more counter protesters than Klan/Neo Nazi marchers.  

Anyway, I have said what I have to say on the matter - I know nothing of the new BPP and all of my comments were based the original BPP, whether they are different now I do not know.

The links I used were hasty links I pulled off of Yahoo.  I also know there was some sort of rally in Montgomery AL a few years ago that went exactly like the ones I posted.  About 2 dozen showed up and about 500 protesters showed up.  Some guy in the Klan got hit with a bottle and the Klan packed up and left.  The point is these people are on the fringe of society regardless of where they are located.  HBO had an interesting documentry on the Klan and Neo Nazi\'s in Alabama a few years ago and it ended with the leader of the this group (mostly teenagers) going to jail.  

Hate groups will always be around, but the ones we have been talking about here do little to impact our society and spread their hate.

Why thank you for the compliment. You didnt do too bad yourself:p

Good debate.

I too am interested in the report of the rally. If its as massive as its supposed to be then it opens new doors in this debate .

Just kidding.

As for what BlackSam is saying, I partially know what hes talking about While i havent done any kind of deep study or w/e on the FBI\'s involvement in "race groups" i am pretty sure of their involvement in the demise of the BPP. I cant quote anything right now but i remember reading something about them planting forged letters by Huey Newton i think. Not 100% sure.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
I\'m talking about things like COINTELPRO. "White Hate Groups" were one of the "targets" of this FBI program. The difference being that with \'Black Hate Groups\' they infiltrated and weakened the organizations while \'white hate groups\' were given information on their black rivals and many times given funds.

I know that both groups are villified today. I am mainly referring to the late-50\'s through early-70\'s.

Who knows with J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the FBI.  That guy would play anyone off of everyone.  In the end the FBI has done a number on all hate groups though in the post 9/11 era we live in these groups will take a back seat unless they are planning on blowing things up - ie. Timothy McVeigh.

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damn..i want to respond but everthing that i would\'ve stated have been said already..good debate gentlemen..from all sides

Post a pic of a hot chick, then...

I don\'t think it\'s a matter of racists who exsist now that would be pissed, it\'s all the people that would start to be racist during election times.

Originally posted by buddha of budd
I don\'t think it\'s a matter of racists who exsist now that would be pissed, it\'s all the people that would start to be racist during election times.

And what made you decide to post today?

I kinda see what you\'re saying. Its true that the problem would arise first not after a black person became president, but while they were actually being competitive before the election. Who knows exactly.

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Originally posted by Ashford
Post a pic of a hot chick, then...

if you say so...

Ok enough pictures.  I like that one especially, but wrong forum.

Yeah some nice reads. But saying that the black panthers and the KKK are on equal playing fields is like saying the NAAWP and NAACP are the same.

Well they maybe the same now since the NAACP has become nothing but a joke these days.

I don\'t think anyone really said they were the same thing Qman, but that in comparison they have the same motive to bring one race into power. Thats talking about BP in the 60\'s and 70\'s compared to the Klan of old.

Originally posted by mjps21983
I don\'t think anyone really said they were the same thing Qman, but that in comparison they have the same motive to bring one race into power. Thats talking about BP in the 60\'s and 70\'s compared to the Klan of old.

I think saying they wanted "to bring one race to power" in both cases is a little short sighted. The KKK thought Blacks were less than human so they didn\'t want them to "taint" their pure white race. They didn\'t want to bring one race to power(at the time their race was in power) as much as they wanted to keep the races apart. The BPP was more or less about putting blacks on equal ground. Its just that their proposed plans to achieve equality were more socialist than democratic.

In fact, many black leaders from the early 1900\'s to the 1970\'s were socialist. If you listen closely many of today\'s minority leaders still advocate some socialist ideas; but that is neither here nor there.

Equal ground? If a black panther had the option to either save 1 black man or 5 white men what do you think they would choose?

You could pose that same question for almost anyone in the 60\'s. Your average white person would choose one white person over five black people just like your average black person would choose the opposite in the reverse situation.

You can\'t just paint the BPP as this militant "Kill Whitey" organization because that is not what it was.  After the Govt. destroyed its internal structure and labelled it a militant organization the BPP became the home to ex-cons and the baser segments of black america. Needless to say it was a shell of the organization that had become a vital part of many black communities.

Originally posted by Black Samurai
You could pose that same question for almost anyone in the 60\'s. Your average white person would choose one white person over five black people just like your average black person would choose the opposite in the reverse situation.

Sorry, no.

Sorry Vivi, but Negro X is right.