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i will say this it seems that this year the eagles should at least go to the superbowl..it\'s their year and they deserve to go from the nfc standpoint..as far as the afc goes..maybe the steelers? and also i\'d like to say the colts, but they always seem to get knocked out of it every year...looks like it may possibly be the pats again...

Eagles from the NFC
Colts vs. Patriots for AFC title again. Steelers will fold.

Originally posted by alliswell
I fooled myself into thining the Giants would give Warner a fair chance this season.  i was wrong.  They did what I should have known they would have done,  bench Warner at the slightest sign of trouble for the 40 million dollar prospect.  Warner got half the snaps in training camp and while the Giants were sitting there at 5-2 Eli was still getting 30%+ of the snaps in practice.  I wonder if warner thought he had a chance to finish the season.  Hes been treated so poorly the past couple of seasons.

Clowd, shut the hell up, you have no idea what you are talking about.  Tell me, how many of those games with Warner, and how many of those games with Eli, did you watch?  Actually watch the entire thing of, the whole way through?  Because if you did watch them, you would know why people are saying Eli is better, why Warner got benched, and why this move had to be made.

First of all, the reason the Giants were 5-3 was not Warner.  Not at all, and I have no idea how you can even begin to claim that.  It was not Warner at all, it was Tiki Barber and the defense.  The defense was playing incredibly, and Tiki was arguably the MVP at that point.  Warner had less than a TD a game, and NO multiple touchdown games, so I have no idea how you can even argue that he was what made them run offensively.  

Eli has played the two best teams in the conference.  They weren\'t supposed to win either game.  And yet, for half of that Eagles game, they were flat out out playing the Eagles.  They also were very close with the Falcons.  Eli\'s two INT\'s hurt against the Eagles, yes, but there were also things like a blocked punt.  But the biggest difference I\'ve seen...the Giants WR\'s have been dropping Eli\'s passes like crazy...much more than they did for Warner.  I can\'t even count the number of drops they\'ve had.  

The bottom line though is...I\'ve gone into this MANY times, and you have never responded...the change needed to happen because Warner was losing more games than he was winning.  

Eli is the future, Warner is washed up.  Their play shows that.  Eli had 2 more spectacular throws in the first half of that Eagles game than Warner has had all year.  That\'s why that change happens.

[Viper_Fujax]

you\'re definitly not the only one that thinks that way shock. I get annoyed every time he says warner is the god of football whose career was taken away by the coaches. Like he said, tiki barber was insane the first half, go to nfl.com, click the scores tab, find the giants games during that span, and look at his stats. Im too lazy to do it but looking at fantasy football barber was getting 20+ points which is the amount people like edgerrin james and LT get.

And i had to stop watching the giants vs. falcons game with toomer dropping 2 passes in a row and hilliard dropped a couple. Eli is your future, and once the coach saw he couldnt ride Tiki, he knew warner wouldnt be able to carry the team so why not give your future qb some playing time in the NFL before its next season and you guys have a "getting experience" year instead of "eli\'s played half a season, he knows what the nfl is like."

Warner is done. live with it.

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ahhh....currently the giants are getting that ass whooped...21 - 0 in the 3rd qtr..good! i hate the gmen...and philly is wilding on the packs...damn...i figured philly would win, but 35- 0 in the 2nd qtr?
colts and pats won big today...it\'s gonna come to that same showdown between those two again later in the season...

Wow Jeff Fisher going for 3 onside kicks in the first quarter seems pretty desperate.  Titans put up a good fight in the first 15 minutes, unfortunately the game is 60 minutes long and they didn\'t score the rest of the game while the Colts proceeded to score 51.  I have tickets to the Sunday Night game in 2 weeks when Baltimore comes to town.  I hope Manning breaks Marino\'s record in front of the home crowd.

Talk about total pwnage...

Patriots and Eagles win in laughers.

It\'s obvious who is and inst contending this year.  Might as well hand the NFC championship over to the Iggles.

Too bad the Giants werent shut out like they should have been

They get 7 on the board thanks to a 100 yard kick off return

So,  after 3 games,  the solution to the bumbling washed up Warner has produced one touchdown on offense.

Kurt Warner (3 NFL MVP trophies)

Eli Manning (SEC QB of year)

Shockwaves I have watched at least two of Warners games.  I have watched about a quarter of Eli vs Falcons and most of his preseason.  

Warner is better, IMO.  And I  have not seen proof of otherwise

[Evi]

Chargers are going to the Play-Offs. Woopidy-doo!! Haven\'t seen them do this well in years...

Wow, best game of the year.

Pittsbugh 17 - Jacksonvilel 16

The kicker missed a 60 FG by a foot.

Oh and in terms of College football...

Screw the BCS, get a playoff system.  God damn, why is that so hard to fathom?

alliswell, IMO the giants were out of it from the start.  This gives Manning invaluable practice time that will help the giants for seasons to come.  Warner couldn\'t help them for forever.

Well you see I thought they were going to let Warner play until they were out of the playoff hunt.  But it seems that some teams no longer care that much about making the playoffs.  They say "we will lose anyways"  and play younger players because of the money they are being paid or which round they were taken in.  So are we at the point that if you lose a couple of key players to injury and your 1-2 games above 500 and you call it quits and start playing unproven players?

The Giants real thoughts were to put Warner in there as a treat for the veterans of the team,  sort of saying this wasnt a rebuilding year,  and they wanted him in there until the Offensive line matured.  

They never expected him to bust out to 5-2.  I\'m sure they intended to replace him after 4-6 games if he did poorly or they werent going anywhere.  But look at the NFC everybody is saying a 9-7 team may make it.  5-4 wasnt so bad.  I think the Giants could have won the Falcon game with Warner and they would have lost to the Eagles no matter what.  SO they could have been 6-5.  I didnt see the Redskins game.  I just saw a few highlights.  Could Warner have made a difference?  We\'ll never know.

Coughlin decided to start Eli Manning for the Falcons game because he wanted his first start to be at home,  and they had 2 home games in a row.  And Coughlin likes throwing Eli Manning into the lions den,  he did it in the preseason,  starting him vs the Panthers defense.

I dont know about this welcome to the NFL mind set,  it can scar Eli Manning for who knows how long.  I\'m sure its killing his confidence when he has Peyton as an older brohter and everybody expects him to live up to the Manning name and go to pro bowls etc

As for Kurt Warner hes not finished Viper_Fujax.  Kurt Warner said himself he didnt play his best football.  But just because he holds on to the ball  2-3 times a game waiting for his reciever to get open doesnt make you finished.  Warner finished this season with 62% completion,  and a QB rating of 85.5.  That doesnt sound finished to me.  Just because he took a ton of sacks behind a bad Oline and didnt have alot of TDs because of either poor receivers/no time to throw/bad play calling doesnt mean this is it.

I read an article that said if Warner cant start or get the opportunity to compete for a starting job he may retire.  Some said he was a crybaby etc etc.  The truth is Warner doesnt want to sit on the sideline for a whole season.  He wansts to play.  Money isnt everything to him.  He knows there is more to life than money.  If he cant play in a sport,  why be in the sport?  Kurt Warner is a great human being.

[GmanJoe]

Steelers will win this year\'s superbowl.

wow, they just barely beat a Jacksonville team that is .500.

Beat the Jets first and come back and talk to me.  Im a Jets fan this week.