The state of gaming.

I dont care if you find it hard to understand what I am saying and  you need to put more focus to comprehend.You find it hard to understand even people that speak better English than I do becuase you are bored to think.

In a sense mm is right.

I mean, things wouldn\'t exist as they exist without a market.

There wouldn\'t be movies like "Anacondas 2" if no body went to see it.

And there wouldn\'t be games like "Catwoman the movie" if nobody bought them.

Im not saying that all games are bad, I enjoy a lot of games. But why do you think Madden has such minor changes each year? Because people will buy it every year without a reasonable amount of new content.

Ryu, you never fail to impress.  I don\'t have anything to add however I\'ll be waiting for mm to address your question.  

If you disagree and assert that gaming is declining as a point of fact, then why? Why do you think so?

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And I am not talking no-name developers with no-name games, I am talking big name games. One example is Metriod Prime , which has a freezing bug in it.

I still remember Final Fantasy III freezing up on me when I was fighting Kefka, then the tragedy of Super Metroid freezing up on Mother Brain AND erasing all my save data on the cartridge.

I’m, for the most part, satisfied where games are today.  I was a fan from the first time I picked up a NES controller and I’ve only become more avid about gaming with every passing generation.  I truly believe that the best lies ahead and as long as it’s fun I’m aboard for where ever gaming goes.

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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
In a sense mm is right.

I mean, things wouldn\'t exist as they exist without a market.

There wouldn\'t be movies like "Anacondas 2" if no body went to see it.

And there wouldn\'t be games like "Catwoman the movie" if nobody bought them.

Im not saying that all games are bad, I enjoy a lot of games. But why do you think Madden has such minor changes each year? Because people will buy it every year without a reasonable amount of new content.

The door swings both ways. Without teh crap, you won\'t get the good.  If no body saw the shitty movies, there wouldn\'t be any good ones..


and mm, most people just see :blah: from your posts.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Ginko
Ryu, you never fail to impress.  I don\'t have anything to add however I\'ll be waiting for mm to address your question.  





I still remember Final Fantasy III freezing up on me when I was fighting Kefka, then the tragedy of Super Metroid freezing up on Mother Brain AND erasing all my save data on the cartridge.

I’m, for the most part, satisfied where games are today.  I was a fan from the first time I picked up a NES controller and I’ve only become more avid about gaming with every passing generation.  I truly believe that the best lies ahead and as long as it’s fun I’m aboard for where ever gaming goes.

I also love to see how far games have come, but I can\'t help but think we are reaching a point where games are starting to lack the spirit that made them so great at one time. Maybe I have became more and more jaded with each passing generation, but most games seem so cookie-cutter to me now\'a\'days.  Then again, I am the person who hates cinema in games, I don\'t think they are something that are really needed, expesially the extensive use that most games now\'a\'days have.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
In a sense mm is right.

I mean, things wouldn\'t exist as they exist without a market.

There wouldn\'t be movies like "Anacondas 2" if no body went to see it.

And there wouldn\'t be games like "Catwoman the movie" if nobody bought them.

Im not saying that all games are bad, I enjoy a lot of games. But why do you think Madden has such minor changes each year? Because people will buy it every year without a reasonable amount of new content.

There were games inspired from movies back in the 16 bit days as well and they werent as good either.Its not something new.Its something that was happening in the past as well.

Also take the NBA and Fifa games back in the old days.They didnt have much improvements either.

 As for difficulty not all 2D games were that much based on skill as L-I-C makes it seem like.Only few get that previlege.
 I started gaming when I was 6 years old.We all were much much younger back in the old days so it was expected that some games would have seemed more challenging than they were especially for younger gamers.
I remember playing games like Contra, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3(I must have finished it a dozen times) and Super Mario Bros (I was nine years old then and managed to reach stage 8-3 in a few minutes).I rarely remember myself getting frustrated trying to progress in a good game.
But there were games that had control issues like Robocop that made me mad.But with enough skill you could overcome it.Sometimes what we call skill in 2D games is nothing more than a delusion that is mastering the game\'s problems. issues and excessive difficulty.

On the other hand I certaintly cant imagine myself as a 9 year old progressing far or with ease in games like Resident Evil or Jak2 or Vagrant Story.
We find many games much easier because we have become more familiar with gaming and becuase we have grown.  
I now own countless of roms of many Sega and Nintendo games in emulators and most of them are hardly as challenging as they used to.Not to mention that most of them are crap games.

The state of gaming ?

What are you guys talking about.... Its been like this since Year DOT (in computer games terms).


The only thing(s) thats changed is the Names.... Sony ...Microsoft....Commodore..Atari... Etc...

and the Graphics.


/me remembers all the old TAT that was released on the old systems TOO.....

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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I also love to see how far games have come, but I can\'t help but think we are reaching a point where games are starting to lack the spirit that made them so great at one time. Maybe I have became more and more jaded with each passing generation, but most games seem so cookie-cutter to me now\'a\'days.  Then again, I am the person who hates cinema in games, I don\'t think they are something that are really needed, expesially the extensive use that most games now\'a\'days have.

Really?  I\'m thinking they\'ve become far more personable and the capabilities of cinema has only helped flesh out a story/character.  When I think back to the 8 & 16-bit generation I remember good or bad gameplay, when I think about the most recent I remember good or bad experiences.  I\'ll agree most game developers don\'t belong in the movie business but some of them have made truly memorable games.  Shenmue, Xenosaga, Final Fantasy VII/IX, Ratchet & Clank, ICO (a few off the top of my head) owe their depth/personality to 3D and I wouldn\'t trade any of them to go back to the games of yesteryear.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Ginko
Really?  I\'m thinking they\'ve become far more personable and the capabilities of cinema has only helped flesh out a story/character.  When I think back to the 8 & 16-bit generation I remember good or bad gameplay, when I think about the most recent I remember good or bad experiences.  I\'ll agree most game developers don\'t belong in the movie business but some of them have made truly memorable games.  Shenmue, Xenosaga, Final Fantasy VII/IX, Ratchet & Clank, ICO (a few off the top of my head) owe their depth/personality to 3D and I wouldn\'t trade any of them to go back to the games of yesteryear.

Don\'t get me wrong, some games are enhanced by the story elements, but a lot of games aren\'t. Infact, it seems a lot of games drop the interactive experience for the cinematic experience and that is my main problem with today\'s games.

Didnt we always have good and bad examples of the same thing?

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Hmm.. LICky, I think it\'s safe to say that you\'re just jaded when you\'re complaining about games not having the same "spirit" that they used to.

mm: lol. Sorry Uni, but you were owned by a white rectangle.

How has gaming changed? You just need to look that bit harder to find those truely unique/great games. There\'s roughly as many good games being released today as there were years ago, it\'s just that they\'re buried amid a lot of rehashed crap.

Just my two cents.

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how was he owned by a white rectangle.. seems to me mm was just avoiding everything like he always does.

So fast this thread has grown. I dont think theres anyway ill catch up on this one.

I dunno, Innovation seems to be slowing down now. I mean when gaming originated, there was so much to create and try something new.

Now I think it has come to a point where fine-tweaking genres and styles  of games has really over-shadowed exploring new ways to make games.