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How Would YOU change the system?
« on: November 27, 2004, 12:07:31 PM »
Admit it -- America is f*cked up.  However, there\'s more people pointing out this fact, on this board especially, without even bothering to give alternatives.  Many people, even those from other countries who post on this board, can agree that there are lots of necessary changes that need to be made to keep America not only the leader of economic change and defense, but as a leader of the free world as well -- a position constantly changed and rethought and somehow made insignificant or more significant depending on the current president in office at the time.

However, with each person who claims America to be a pile of crap, not one of them has stepped up and said how it could be better or spoke of some way to change the system.  Now is your chance.  Whatever system in America you don\'t like EG:  healthcare, education, military spending, the economy, etc -- talk about what bothers you about it and give ways that it could be changed.

I doubt this topic will get many replies as people prefer to complain as opposed to actually thinking about ways to somehow make it better, but I still think the question could be thrown some attention.  I\'m curious just how creative some of you can get in here when you\'re not complaining about systems and instead have to somehow change them.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 12:37:29 PM »
I always thought that if we somehow found a way to get the REAL average person with REAL morals to run for political offices the country would be in better shape. I believe just about all these politicians in office have their priorities in money instead of their duty to serving their country.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 03:27:35 PM »
1) Term limits for senators and congressmen/women. Eliminates the "career politician" and makes the legislative branch more effective at representing the people.

2) Proportional voting in the electoral college. If I am a democrat in a red state, a republican in a blue state, or a third party voter in any state my vote doesn\'t really count. Making the votes proportional will eliminate the concept of "Red State vs. Blue State".

3) Legalize Marijuana and Decriminalize some of the other drugs. The war on drugs is ineffective, racist, and costly. All it has done is make corrections the newest growth industry. It has also given some states reasons to put in draconian mandatory minimum sentences that while not affecting the crime rate have a positive affect on the states bottom line.

4) Implement a voting system that is easy to use, accurate, and most importantly has a paper trail.

- Touch screen to cast a vote
- Touch screen system prints a ballot that can be looked at by the voter for verification.
- The ballot is put in one of the same voting machines used today that count paper ballots.
- At the end of the voting period the touch screen gives a printout of the votes cast on that machine.
- The touch screen votes are crossreferenced with the paper ballots(verify the same number of votes and same candidates.)
- The results are sent in to the main counting station.
- If the ballots don\'t match the touch screen receipt then the ballots must be recounted or handcounted to ensure accuracy.

This eliminates the thousands of "faulty" ballots that get thrown out, reduces the chance for fraud, produces faster results, reduces disenfranchisement, and leaves a verifiable paper trail.

Thats all I can think of for now.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2004, 03:32:46 PM by Black Samurai »
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 06:03:48 PM »
Like we need Europe to tell us what is wrong with our country and how to fix it.  :rolleyes:

By reading the above reply I guess being realistic isn\'t part of the thought process...

As for making America better - take us out of the UN.  Kick the UN out of NY and start creating alliances with countries that are in tune with us economically and diplomatically.

Do away with welfare and affirmative action.  

Impose strict immigration rules and deport all illegal aliens immediately.

Drastically reduce college tuition or make it all together free.

Build more prisons and actually enforce the law.  Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded.  Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2004, 06:32:05 PM »
I\'d expand the military a bit more, totally voluntary (only impose the draft if there is not enough volunteers for a world war or big war that our country\'s future depends on it).

Make better foreign relations. Work more with other countries to build a strong global economy

Invade France

Revise the voting system kind of like what BS said.

Giga\'s prison idea is interesting

Deport all illegal aliens and strengthen border patrols. They are draining our economy. The less illegals, the better.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2004, 10:24:00 PM »
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Drastically reduce college tuition or make it all together free.
So you would implement socialist policies? Wow.

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Build more prisons and actually enforce the law.  Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded.  Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.
Wrong, as a bonus more jobs will be lost because prisons will rent out more cheap labor, effectively pricing some competitors out of the market. There was a time when all prisoners did was make license plates and break rocks but now they have them doing jobs they could do on the outside except they don\'t get paid for it so they are taking a job away from someone else and reducing the GDP.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2004, 11:24:07 PM »
Giga has been spending too much time on Stormfront.org :p

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 06:11:48 AM »
Going along with BS\'s voting theme I\'m wondering what you guys think of run-off voting?
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 07:35:36 AM »
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So you would implement socialist policies? Wow.

 


Just for education and I don\'t really think that is a socialist idea.  I freely admit healthcare is way overpriced as is college tuition, but I feel college tuition has gotten entirely out of control when compared to other services in this country.

Legalization of pot and other drugs?  The war on drugs is racist?  Please...  build more prisons.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 12:51:02 PM »
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Build more prisons and actually enforce the law. Too many people get a slap on the wrist because our jails are overcrowded. Instead of releasing them or "legalizing" illegal substances - just make more room for the criminals and as a bonus more jobs will be created.


Funniest post ever from you, Giga.  You totaly lash out at my healthcare plan and say you don\'t want to pay taxes for people being lazy asses and somehow "swindeling" a healthcare for all system, yet you would be willing to pay far more taxes for more prisons, more guards, and invest more land to feed, clothe, and care for far more prisoners.  That\'s f*cking beautiful.  You\'re awesome man.  You\'d care for people who break the law and pay more money for them on a daily basis then to pay for other people getting taken care of who are law abiding citizens.  That\'s sweet.

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3) Legalize Marijuana and Decriminalize some of the other drugs.


I agree with legalizing marijuana.  I don\'t use any controlled substances myself personally, but marijuana is going to be grown and used no matter what so if people are going to use it no matter what, you might as well legalize it and tax the crap out of it.  It\'s a source of revenue for the country that we should be exploiting, not throwing money at to get rid of.

On that note, prostitution should also be legalized.  It\'s going to happen anyways whether we like it or not, we might as well clean it up and make it something that\'s safe to do, designate sections of a city or of a state for that sort of thing and tax the crap out of it and regulate it.  Just another source of revenue we should be rightfully exploiting.

I think increasing incentives to join the military is where it\'s at. These guys willingly do a job protecting a ton of people, especially on this board, who would otherwise outright refuse to. That takes a lot of balls to sign up when you know in six months you\'re going to be put into harms way right out the gate with some of the worst benefits, worst pay, and worst working conditions on the planet even though the job is probably one of the most important on the face of the Earth.

I think instead of making these horrible "benefits" staples of our volunteer military, we should be increasing them dramatically to make serving an option for anyone that is heavily considered by everyone. Increase their pay. There\'s no reason some pencil pusher should be making five times the amount these guys make by simply crunching numbers. I don\'t think a high five figure salary should be out of the question -- somewhere between 75 and 90k as a standard GI starting pay with the rates differing in rank in a unit.

Increase health benefits (provided we don\'t have a unified health care system by then). Extend them for their entire life, even after their tour of duty is completed and add it to their immediate family including their children and their wives or their parents. I don\'t see why this couldn\'t be done as it\'s just probably one of the biggest incentives to join the military in the first place given over %50 of the nation is without any healthcare already.

Extend college benefits to the soldier AND to their children. There\'s no reason why this shouldn\'t be done as well as a soldier is essentialy fighting for the futures of so many and what better way to make due on that incentive to join then to offer immediate results to their immediate family.

Just what I think anyways.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 01:15:50 PM »
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I agree with legalizing marijuana.  I don\'t use any controlled substances myself personally, but marijuana is going to be grown and used no matter what so if people are going to use it no matter what, you might as well legalize it and tax the crap out of it.  It\'s a source of revenue for the country that we should be exploiting, not throwing money at to get rid of.
 


I agree with you totally on that. Also, people do it too because they feel they are rebelling by doing something illegal. By making it legal, and taxed, drug dealers will lose money, smugglers will be out of a job and teens won\'t do it as much because it is legal to do. Ofcoarse bput restrictions on it like only at home and crap like that. The prostitution thing comes to the Christianity and other religious morals that are still used today so I don\'t think it will ever be legal. Kind of an interesting view you have though. May have to agree with it.

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I think increasing incentives to join the military is where it\'s at. These guys willingly do a job protecting a ton of people, especially on this board, who would otherwise outright refuse to. That takes a lot of balls to sign up when you know in six months you\'re going to be put into harms way right out the gate with some of the worst benefits, worst pay, and worst working conditions on the planet even though the job is probably one of the most important on the face of the Earth.

I think instead of making these horrible "benefits" staples of our volunteer military, we should be increasing them dramatically to make serving an option for anyone that is heavily considered by everyone. Increase their pay. There\'s no reason some pencil pusher should be making five times the amount these guys make by simply crunching numbers. I don\'t think a high five figure salary should be out of the question -- somewhere between 75 and 90k as a standard GI starting pay with the rates differing in rank in a unit.

Increase health benefits (provided we don\'t have a unified health care system by then). Extend them for their entire life, even after their tour of duty is completed and add it to their immediate family including their children and their wives or their parents. I don\'t see why this couldn\'t be done as it\'s just probably one of the biggest incentives to join the military in the first place given over %50 of the nation is without any healthcare already.

Extend college benefits to the soldier AND to their children. There\'s no reason why this shouldn\'t be done as well as a soldier is essentialy fighting for the futures of so many and what better way to make due on that incentive to join then to offer immediate results to their immediate family.

Just what I think anyways.


Agreed totally there. They should be highly paid. This way, people will join up for the money and there will be a lot of soldiers to fight in the wars. These guys deserve every penny they get and should get.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 01:40:36 PM »
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2) Proportional voting in the electoral college. If I am a democrat in a red state, a republican in a blue state, or a third party voter in any state my vote doesn\'t really count. Making the votes proportional will eliminate the concept of "Red State vs. Blue State".
I agree with that. It\'s especially  ridiculous when states like California are worth 50 something electoral votes. It\'s very disproportional, and very stupid.

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I agree with you totally on that. Also, people do it too because they feel they are rebelling by doing something illegal. By making it legal, and taxed, drug dealers will lose money, smugglers will be out of a job and teens won\'t do it as much because it is legal to do.
I\'ve always thought this way.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 03:47:58 PM »
The only reason marijuana is illegal is because the U.S. government can\'t place a tax on it... I just don\'t understand why they just don\'t go ahead and legalize it, and make some bank off of it. Marijuana is hardly a threat to American society, and despite ignorant belief that it leads to bigger drugs, it is essentially harmless. Law enforcement can actually start focusing on real issues and crimes rather than busting some 16-year old pothead, who hardly is any threat to society.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2004, 04:00:54 PM »
All of my friends who\'ve smoked pot have moved on to bigger things. It\'s not an ignorant belief. Some stay with it, lace it with something, or move on to a different drug entirely. They said they just don\'t get a good enough high anymore from marijuana. They\'re stupid, but whatever...it\'s their bodies, they can destroy it if they want. Marijuana isn\'t harmless, either...THAT is an ignorant belief.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2004, 04:10:45 PM »
Yes, harmful to one\'s self, however I was referring to others. People don\'t get high and then beat their wives and children. And that was probably quick of me to say it doesn\'t lead to bigger things, however from all the guys I\'ve known who smoked pot, thats all they ever did.

 

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